Let's talk about Hunts - a detailed rundown of their assumed mechanics

[Steve_UK]

I think someone from Zalera posted earlier, perhaps they could help. Mateus is also a low pop server, if Steve Uk learns that correlation does not equal causation and perform many tests instead of quickly jumping to conclusions he could also be a valuable help here.

EDIT: Actually, Steve_UK can you link your server's hunt tracker session?

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As in what way?

Timer: 3:52 into the window- garlok spawns.
Timer 4:01 into the window - Nandi Spawns
6pm ET - Mindflayer spawns

So far thats all the s ranks that have spawned on mateus.

Next time i attempt to spawn nandi, ill show you a recording of how i do it.... since it does not spawn unless you rather run past it (with a minion out, or a minion roulette being pushed somewhere in map).

[Alukah]

I assumed all servers used any sort of tracking website this is what my server uses http://thehunt.tk/session/diabolos69

Yea, I've not had a hand in any of the constructive S rank theories.

(this is also sarcasm - ask Brontes)

I'm interested in it for ones that we don't have spawn every cycle. The ones that do, what's the point? Honest question.

If your server doesn't have Nandi and Garlok spawning at least once every 56 hours then I could see the necessity of working theories for them, otherwise I just simply don't understand why it matters.

I feel like we don't need to wait for another S rank to reach the same condition as Nunyunuwi to start caring, besides nothing wrong with having a clear idea of how they are spawned.

[Steve_UK]

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/HuntTracker/Mateus

Thats what we use.

Currently trying for brontes.

[Steve_UK]

Minhocao - I did the Core Blimey fate(solo) and scouted, nothing, killed 2 earth spirit's just up from processing plant, and it spawned. (i gained 5 earth crystal's during this).

Hope this helps.

[Budi]

Tried to spawn a few S Ranks today:

Minhocao: Killed Earth Sprites during Core Blimey. Didn't pop. Killed Earth Sprites again during Core Blimey. It spawned.
Nandi: Was running around Upper La Noscea (West) and randomly popped a Minion Roulette and Nandi spawned. I was pretty much the only person in the zone at that time.
Theda and Zona Seeker: Worked as described.
Garlok: Spawned randomly (first to spawn) and very soon after window opened.

Spawns that didn't work, probably because not enough people/time.

Brontes: Ate a looot of food, whole party with 300+ stacks +another party that tried. Didn't spawn yet.
Lampalagua: Did quite a number of Leve quests (again with the party) and didn't spawn.
Mahisha: Tried to obtain Grenade Ash and to die a lot. Both didn't work yet.

[Ogun_Riastradh]

Minhocao - I did the Core Blimey fate(solo) and scouted, nothing, killed 2 earth spirit's just up from processing plant, and it spawned. (i gained 5 earth crystal's during this).
Hope this helps.

It has been known for a long time that he has been linked to the acquisition of earth crystals. Please check the OP for info on established triggers. It has also been pointed out that triggers should be instant (you don't do something and have to wait 5 minutes for pop) and you need to be able to repeat the conditions numerous times before you can consider it properly linked. Just because something happens close to the same time as pop does not prove it is anything more than a coincidence.

I also don't understand the resistance to Vandes' conclusions regarding Garlok and Nandi despite the compelling evidence of the "twins" concept and the fact that they spawned during the "soft" maintenance (servers up but inaccessible) on multiple occasions across multiple servers. Yes, it is true that we can't truly replicate it and keep everyone out of the zone or without a minion, but considering it wouldn't appear when we had everyone in hunt LS spamming minions but reliably pops on timer with minimal activity in zone seems like proof enough to me.

[Alukah]

I also don't understand the resistance to Vandes' conclusions regarding Garlok and Nandi despite the compelling evidence of the "twins" concept and the fact that they spawned during the "soft" maintenance (servers up but inaccessible) on multiple occasions across multiple servers. Yes, it is true that we can't truly replicate it and keep everyone out of the zone or without a minion, but considering it wouldn't appear when we had everyone in hunt LS spamming minions but reliably pops on timer with minimal activity in zone seems like proof enough to me.

Compelling evidence? "Player action (food/maps): Brontes and Agrippa" that's not twin, those are two very different categories, if anything gathering and fishing would also be under player actions, Laideronette has no twin, Nunyunuwi is still unconfirmed, item acquisition and leves are extremely different from each other and both would also belong to the main category "player action".

I just feel like there's not enough evidence to reach that conclusion about Nandi, unlike Garlok where you can ensure it's not weather, fire arrows or fates if you just stand around.

For Nandi way too many people enter that map with minions and companions, also read my previous post regarding they being found in game after a soft maintenance.

[Ogun_Riastradh]

I concede you are right that it's probably not right to consider the "twin" issue. Although on Excal, ULC is hardly a hot bed of activity. There are a minimal amount of people there that could be inadvertently triggering, but the soft maintenance issue is highly suggestive. Also, as I pointed out we have had issues where we would go to the zone en masse during gaps in A in order to spam minions with no luck (just as with Nuny and the mass fate grind) , and then when we move on he pops with the minimal activity much later. Together it seems like its hard to argue against it.

In regards to Nuny, it seems like the general opinion is that it is something combat related. We have had very inconsistent results with FATE's, and I am not sure what has been done to test leves (althought East Than seems to be leves).

I suggested that the various patches/fixes may have reduced the hunting of Albin and Albin kills could be a trigger, but Vandes pointed out that the difficulty in pops may not correlate exactly with those changes.
The only other thing I wonder if it is linked to the kill of a specific mob or mob type. Have we tried just killing Amalj'aa or just golems for a bit? Or maybe the inferno towers that blow up when they die? Seems unlikely but IDK what else to come up with since we can't pin down anything regarding the FATEs.

[Alukah]

Something I noticed is that Southern Thanalan has several fates that take some good hours to start, and I'm not talking about animus book fates, could it be a large amount of people completing one of these extremely rare fates?

One of them is a (chain?) fate in The Sepulcre (23,10), one in the Circle of the Tempered (22,18) one right after the entrance to Zahar'ak (22,22), I think the golem fate outside of Qarn also has a high restart timer, but that one has been tested from day one with no success.

As for Albin, now that the respawn timer is 5s it's easier to test it if you gather enough people.

For leves, I think the OP tested it with a group of people with no success.


EDIT: Ignore those fates I mentioned, some of them aren't really that rare, though it being one specific fate instead of many fates is something to consider.

[Steve_UK]

Nuny is still yet to spawn on Mateus - this has spawned on most high populated server's already