Let's talk about Hunts - a detailed rundown of their assumed mechanics

[GuiseofAmour]

I use Nakash Ezhno's method. It works 100% of the time and takes only two ppl. He has all the fates. How may times they spawn per fate cycle and this changes. Because its all about when you start. This guy spent countless hours just watching the fates. This is what you need to know.

NPC activated fates that NEED to be completed:
Call me mayhaps spawns 1 time per fate cycle. Indicator it will spawn: Diamond in the Rough spawns roughly 30 minutes from Call me Mayhaps. There are times though it spawns right afterwards. But ive only seen this a handful of times
Point A spawns 1 to 2 times per fate cycle. Depends on when you start.
Soul Man spawns 1 to 2 times per fate cycle
Run like a Flame 2 to 3 times per fate cycle


Reason for fluctuation: My guess its all about when you start. We all know if you dont activate these bad boys in time, they will disappear. So my guess is the reason for the fluctuation is simple. If you dont activate it in time, the fate takes longer to respawn. Perfect example would be Point A. Lets say you start off. Two fates are about to fail. You get those done and Point A disappears. NO worries. Only needs to be completed ONCE for a spawn.

Reason why I think one hour fate method is bs:
Simple. Call me Mayhaps spawns ONCE per fate cycle. Soul man ONCE (sometimes twice) per fate cycle. Some fates spawn more often when you complete the fates faster (usually with a big party size). So why Nakash says two people is optimal. Otherwise your just doing more work. Now whats really interesting is when Soul man spawn twice per fate cycle. This is because usually when this happens, Call me Mayhaps hasnt spawned yet. Pretty interesting. And this most likely happens when you start Soul man like first five minutes.

He also notes that the reason why it can take longer then an hour is really kind of interesting. Lets say if you get there. Running for an hour and no call me mayhaps? He thinks that the reason why its delayed is because when you started you must not have activated it. And it was up. Remember when i said if you dont activate it right away it delays the respawn of the fate? It also seems if you dont go after Diamond in the rough which why would you? It will spawn without completion. Well if you dont activate that one too it seems to delay call me mayhaps for even longer respawn time.

So my advice. Keep running. Even if its past an hour. You need to complete those fates for a spawn. Otherwise it wont work. Also realize the fate cycle that Nakash goes off of is when everything spawns at least once. Which is close to an hour. That's why everyone says run for an hour. But its quite misleading. To spawn Nunyunuwi isnt because you run fates for an hour. He also mentions if Diamond in the rough doesnt have to be completed. Then most likely there are other ones that dont. But why would you experiment on a method that no matter how you perfect, its still going to take an hour just because in order to complete those fates, it will take you an hour just to get them to spawn. And if you think about it. Any other fate that is not npc activated to spawn.

He has attempted a solo spawn. This is really interesting. He completed each fate ONCE except Revenge of the Worms in 55 minutes. He failed Revenge of the Worms haha. But managed to complete all the fates once. It didnt spawn but makes you wonder if he actually didnt fail it, could he have?

Because there are lot of fates only spawn once. Future shock, Bump and grind, Bigger,faster,stronger if you do it with two ppl. Now if you have a full party it speeds the fate cycle for certain fates BUT call me mayhaps or soul man. So it really could be something else that actually spawns it. Its just the best method of doing so.

So in otherwords. Why change something that is working? Even if that's not Nunyunuwi's trigger. Its spawning him. And doing a solo spawn would be far worse then Leucrotta. Two peeps work. Great bonding time. Got a girlfriend or boyfriend you want to impress? Go for it. You and your best friends want to become Nunyunuwi spawn gods? Go for it. That's how I became notorious on my server. All thanks to some crazy guy who got kicked out of the reddit community because he thought the fate cycle was bullshit and wasnt working. He was kind of wrong because it does. But he was also kind of right. Something else is definitely going on.

[NoboruSouma]

Call me mayhaps has to be completed for a nunyunuwi spawn. never had one without it. And I spawn Nuyunuwi 3 times a week. Never had a fail in almost a year.

Count your crystals when you farm for Minhocao. 75 crystals should do it. Generally it takes me 30-75. Sometimes longer. Also if its 3 hours into timer on Ariyala I would give it a go. It can spawn earlier but sometimes gathering 75 crystals is a bit of a grind.

For Wulgaru and Lampalagua. My data suggests 60 leves should do the trick. Though there is fluctuation. I think its due to when the hunt actually opens. But there seems to be a general consensus. Though I would try running leves for both until at least 5 hours in. Wulgaru longer haha. He seems to be a demon tree.

And I will tell you again: Call Me Mayhaps does not have to be completed if it doesn't even spawn in the one hour fate cycle. Our Hunters busted this many times by now while we were going for the spawn. Just do fates (NPC ones as well) for an hour: bam, spawn. We had fails with your said method. We need to hear if others can spawn him with that as well or we can put it in the "Busted"-corner. For our groups I can say that it doesn't work and we're riding just safely with doing it the used way.

There is NO threshold in spawning S Ranks. There's no "gather this amount of that". It's "it spawns or it dosn't" if you gather something. We had a Minho spawn on ONE crystal. Other times we nearly collected 10 (it was late at night so no one else was in the zone we know that) and he spawned while his window was open for approx half an hour at most. Sometimes we need to wait the almost full six hours before he spawns. And I can tell you that the longer it is into the window the more people will go for it. If it's not open it just won't spawn. Period. You can then gather as many as you want - go for 100 .. 200 .. I can guarantee that you won't get a spawn.

For Wulgaru and Lampa as well: one leve can spawn them - NO threshold. Don't burn your allowances, it doesn't give you anything except lost allowances. (If you don't need them well .. go ahead.)

It's just: the longer into the window the higher the chance it can open anytime soon. Nothing else. That's it for all S Ranks. (Those HW ones with their ridiculous long windows not mentioned, urgs ...)

We had a Safat at 6 minutes into the window - our last Thousand was :34 minutes after the window opened after maintenance as Airmed already said. So ... yeah.

[GuiseofAmour]

And I will tell you again: Call Me Mayhaps does not have to be completed if it doesn't even spawn in the one hour fate cycle. Our Hunters busted this many times by now while we were going for the spawn. Just do fates (NPC ones as well) for an hour: bam, spawn. We had fails with your said method. We need to hear if others can spawn him with that as well or we can put it in the "Busted"-corner. For our groups I can say that it doesn't work and we're riding just safely with doing it the used way.

There is NO threshold in spawning S Ranks. There's no "gather this amount of that". It's "it spawns or it dosn't" if you gather something. We had a Minho spawn on ONE crystal. Other times we nearly collected 10 (it was late at night so no one else was in the zone we know that) and he spawned while his window was open for approx half an hour at most. Sometimes we need to wait the almost full six hours before he spawns. And I can tell you that the longer it is into the window the more people will go for it. If it's not open it just won't spawn. Period. You can then gather as many as you want - go for 100 .. 200 .. I can guarantee that you won't get a spawn.

For Wulgaru and Lampa as well: one leve can spawn them - NO threshold. Don't burn your allowances, it doesn't give you anything except lost allowances. (If you don't need them well .. go ahead.)

It's just: the longer into the window the higher the chance it can open anytime soon. Nothing else. That's it for all S Ranks. (Those HW ones with their ridiculous long windows not mentioned, urgs ...)

We had a Safat at 6 minutes into the window - our last Thousand was :34 minutes after the window opened after maintenance as Airmed already said. So ... yeah.

That's fine you don't have to believe me. It's not like I'm not aware of the mechanics of hunts. Though it's what my data shows. I was wrong I will admit for some hunts. But Lampalagua and Wulgaru the data is suggestive that something else is going a foot. Its suggestive. Count yourself. And why would I run all the leves haha? Im in a hunt ls ;-;.


I know Im right for Minhocao. I count crystals every time I spawn him. Ive gotten anywhere from 200+ to 10 crystals. Though with my data, around 3 hours which seems to be the lucky number its generally 30-75 crystals you should start looking. Doesnt mean it wont take longer. If you reach 100 its def not ready. Plus you do realize when I give a time to do it, its more likely its going to spawn. Higher %. It's not like its going to. Ive spawned it under an hour. A little over an hour. 2 hours and blah blah. Most luck after 3 hours.

As for Nunyunuwi Im just sorry. You are wrong. I dont want to be that person and Im not trying to get you upset. But your wrong. Ive spawned that thing more than anyone else on my server. And on a regular basis which is 3 times a week. Everytime the hunt opens I spawn it. Ive been through everything on that hunt. And Im telling you. If call me mayhaps is not completed at least once. Its not spawning. Hour fate is bullshit. Fate cycle ideally lasts that long. Though it can take over an hour.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...your_gil_back/

Just follow what I have posted here. Tell your hunters to follow this word by word. That means running Run like a flame 2 to 3 times per fate cycle (which ideally last an hour and ideally spawns 3 times during that fate cycle). That goes for anything else. Make sure you are regularly checking for them. If you have not seen them spawn that many time per fate cycle, that means you missed one. Also, if you Book of Pride spawns twice, you missed Call Me Mayhaps. Unless it hasnt been close to an hour. Sometimes its spawns back to back but if it does this, that means it will do it under an hour. Seen it happen a handful of times so just kind of use the hour as a reference point. Though if you get that outlier; its going to take you longer then an hour to spawn it most likely.

[GuiseofAmour]

Sorry Noborusama. I shouldnt just tell you you're wrong. It was wrong of me to detest someone just because I think I know what Im talking about. I wont make any excuses.

If it doesn't work, then Im out of reasons why. I guess if you want to tell me how you spawned it, I can try it. See if it works.

As for Lampalagua, Minhocao, and Wulgaru. Its just data I ve collected. No one believes it. Its fine. Its been criticized and denounced by fellow hunters. I keep it just to look over. Find out if anything is flawed with my approach of collecting the the data.

I think my own personal reasons get the best of me. My theories for hunts seem to be against the hunting communities widely accepted opinions. Its whatever. I still spawn many of the s ranks. So at least I have to skills and knowledge to do so. Im ok with that.

Just an apology. I felt like an ass. And its against my philosophy of life in general. I dont like putting down people. Very wrong of me to shoot down your opinion with such little reasons anyways.

[Kanjishin]

Hunts are based on superstitions. If it works for you, do it however you want. Personally, I don't think lamp and wul are a quantity of leve but a specific quest/plate. Either way they are spawning.

I also use the in-game clock to monitor nunu and it spawns 4 hours before the last fate I let fail (60 minutes) and I have solo'd it a few times. It took me an hour and 45 minutes solo one time because I failed a fate at 45 mins in my first try but kept pushing through the extra hour.

Also, I can solo leucrotta in 65 minutes now that I'm so beefy (only 35 mins with 2)

But an example of why the hunt community would be against you is because I have people on my server who believe that Nandi pops during thunderstorms, and mindflayer won't pop in thunder. Believe whatever you want to believe.

[NoboruSouma]

Just an apology. I felt like an ass. And its against my philosophy of life in general. I dont like putting down people. Very wrong of me to shoot down your opinion with such little reasons anyways.

Don't apologies. I was the one who was harsh in his tone, so I have to speak out an apology.

And that's what it's all about - we find new things everyday. So no worries, everything is fine. We're all hunters at the end of the day.

[GuiseofAmour]

Hunts are based on superstitions. If it works for you, do it however you want. Personally, I don't think lamp and wul are a quantity of leve but a specific quest/plate. Either way they are spawning.

I also use the in-game clock to monitor nunu and it spawns 4 hours before the last fate I let fail (60 minutes) and I have solo'd it a few times. It took me an hour and 45 minutes solo one time because I failed a fate at 45 mins in my first try but kept pushing through the extra hour.

Also, I can solo leucrotta in 65 minutes now that I'm so beefy (only 35 mins with 2)

But an example of why the hunt community would be against you is because I have people on my server who believe that Nandi pops during thunderstorms, and mindflayer won't pop in thunder. Believe whatever you want to believe.

Yeah but I love myself some good superstitions haha. What do you mean by quest/plate? Sounds interesting. You peaked my interest. On my server, no one does leves. So we just count everything we do. And we keep hitting 40 or 60 leves and it spawns. That variable is the constant. The time to complete that changes. Depends on how many people we have running. But I do understand the biggest flaw is when the hunt actually opens up and the elephant in the room of did you count every one. Because we've done 60 and it didnt spawn. But its still quite interesting we hit those two numbers about pretty consistently and that they are intervals of 10s. So not like 57 or 42.

Biggest issue though is post maintenance doesnt follow this trend. And croque and Bonnacon sure the hell does not.

As for Minhocao, I count as a place marker. Today was a perfect example. 34 I got it to spawn. So anything between 30-75 tells me I should keep collecting crystals. Its when I get above 75 Im like ehh probably not ready. But the quantity of when he spawns is always a bizarre number in between those two numbers. Not like wul or lamp.

I think its the general philosophy of our server tbh. Like we wont spawn Minhocao unless hes at least 3 hours in. Not that we dont push our luck sometimes, but this gives us the unique opportunity to kind of count crystals. Because honestly, lets say if I waited 10 hours on my server to spawn Minhocao. It would only take me probably 10 crystals until he spawns. So I have to keep telling myself other servers dont work that way. Our hunters, which there are a lot, operate using the same methods. Same tools. Whether our "superstitions" or theories may differ, we still use the same techniques and same information. So yes its rng. But Im just using a counting method to help me make a decision if its ready or not.

Solo spawn Nunyunuwi I think is possible. But I would say this. You must have been a really lucky person. With fate scaling, if the fates actually spawn like they should, knowing how many times a single fate should spawn in an hour needs to be understood before attempting a solo spawn. I could think of a billion different things that could go wrong. Though nontheless, I believe you. And i would love to try it. Any way you can write out what you did? The fate order you completed? Because I tried it multiple times and I get to 30-40 minutes and fail a fate.

Though maybe that you kept going is the solution. It seems every time you fail a fate, the fate takes longer to respawn. So maybe failing helps you in the long run and gives you more time to complete other fates before it spawns? Interesting questions.

When I spawned Nunyunuwi this morning, we had this bizarre fate cycle where bump and grind spawned like 6 times i kid you not. Usually spawns once per hour or fate cycle. Then Book of Pride got skipped over and call me mayhaps didnt spawn until hour in fate grinding. Then 15 minutes later call me mayhaps showed up again which usually Book of Pride shows up 30 minutes later after completion or vis versa.

So once Book of pride finally reared its ugly head. After completion, not even 30 seconds someone relayed it. Now if that happened on a solo spawn, that would be pretty hard to manage. Bump and grind scaled takes super long. But still interested on what you did.

[GuiseofAmour]

Don't apologies. I was the one who was harsh in his tone, so I have to speak out an apology.

And that's what it's all about - we find new things everyday. So no worries, everything is fine. We're all hunters at the end of the day.

Thanks Nobrusouma but if I feel guilty. Most likely I have some regret in not handling the situation which in return means I handled the situation very poorly. Or short text I was wrong haha.

I didn't feel you were harsh. I think you were just trying to convey what you wanted to. But I just wouldnt hear it. I shot you down before you even had your wings stretched out. No worries though.

Thinking about it more. Each server has a different philosophy, methods, and tools to go about spawning different from other servers. I think I should write out for you guys what zalera calls "The ideal fate cycle". Its a fate cycle we aim to get. But it seldom happens. But having the idea of what the fate cycle should look like on a regular basis helps us deal with the outliers. When things dont go right.

Perfect example was this morning when we spawned nunyunuwi. Book of Pride didnt spawn. Not until an hour and a half into fate grinding. And that happens to be when we spawned him. But if we didnt know all the fates in southern thanalan and how many times they spawn in this proposed "Ideal Fate Cycle" which is just made up haha. Conjured by us. Then we wouldnt have known one fate was missing and tell ourselves to keep going until it spawns.

[Kanjishin]

I wasn't keeping track of any particulars (and it was over a year ago, I've completely switched my focus to 3.0 since HW) but there is no scaling if you're solo or duo. When it took 1h45 the reason I succeeded was because after the first 45 mins when I failed I had basically a cleared board. So it was all about the timely start when there wasnt much up so I could stay on top of everything.

And the leveplates are the icons that appear when the levequest is initiated. It's also pictured in the top right of the journal and signifies which kind of leve it is (escorts, surveillance etc.) but there is so much conformation bias. I have an alt that I use to burn leves, and went through initiating all of my levequests that I could get but no pop. I brought my main out and popped on the first leve which was a different levequest from the ones I had just initiated prior. This could support your theory as well of it being a quantity, but it all depends on what you personally believe.

[GuiseofAmour]

I wasn't keeping track of any particulars (and it was over a year ago, I've completely switched my focus to 3.0 since HW) but there is no scaling if you're solo or duo. When it took 1h45 the reason I succeeded was because after the first 45 mins when I failed I had basically a cleared board. So it was all about the timely start when there wasnt much up so I could stay on top of everything.

And the leveplates are the icons that appear when the levequest is initiated. It's also pictured in the top right of the journal and signifies which kind of leve it is (escorts, surveillance etc.) but there is so much conformation bias. I have an alt that I use to burn leves, and went through initiating all of my levequests that I could get but no pop. I brought my main out and popped on the first leve which was a different levequest from the ones I had just initiated prior. This could support your theory as well of it being a quantity, but it all depends on what you personally believe.

I understand. I also used to be pretty heavily focused on heavensward hunts. However, just due to the insane amount of time it takes to spawn them as well respawn timers. Its really not worth all the trouble in my opinion. If one of the windows are up, I will try. But that seldom happens. Usually they are long dead before I see any.

There was a time when I was most active in heavensward hunts as my focus. I only spawn on post maintenance days when they seem easier and more ready available. The heavensward A ranks are enough with the arr s ranks to level my 230 gear. I hope when they do release the next expansion, that they decide to go back to more reasonable timers. Though I wont argue that they are more rarer then before which I guess kind of make them unique and special for their own regard. Though I feel like certain people only really get the chance to see them. Leucrotta and Senmurv always spawn during off times. Very early in the morning. Kaiser during the morning or late at night. Gandarewa and Pale Rider just happen out of the blue. So if you're not on all the time and not during the off hours, you arent catching them.

I'll give it a try. It does make sense to start on a off time. But the hardest fate is revenge of the worms. It spawns twice per hour most of the time. And usually that's when i start falling behind. That and I never had any luck spawning Nunyunuwi without activating Run like a flame, Point A, and Call me Mayhaps. Spending the time to look for them wastes precious time which you are now lacking during a solo spawn. Though I am determined to repeat your success nontheless.

What's interesting though looking at the levequests for Eastern Thanalan is there are 31 different leves if you count the GC leves. Ive spawned lampalagua using both. Maybe you have a point. Maybe each one has to be completed once. It would possibly kind of make sense for why it would take me and my ls 60 leves or 40. It would depend how many were repeated after completion. Or I could just be stretching the information to fit a flawed theory. Guess I will pay attention a little bit more when Im running leves.

Though I will say every time I do spawn it, I do try my best to pick different leves then I have before. For the escort and the kill mobs a certain amount of x times ones under GC, I just initiate and abandon. Cause you just need the initiation. I found this out while I accidentally was running battle leves in East shroud. I activated one. Was like ah man Escort. Clicked abandon. Looked up. Demon tree was standing right in front of me haha. I was like oh wow.