Let's talk about Hunts - a detailed rundown of their assumed mechanics

[Ogun_Riastradh]

Hi Vandes and All,

Vandes has written that this may be the case, or it could just be that a certain threshhold needs to be met. That's why sometimes you can catch one Glimmerscale and see Xona, while other times it could take 20. That is why you repeatedly test these ideas to confirm the theory and eliminate RNG as a factor. If you are consistently seeing extremes, i.e. 1 egg or 1,200 eggs for Brontes, it's probably something more than RNG. There is likely something else that needs to be considered, such as it can't be 1 person eating 1,200 eggs or it has to be a new food effect instead of spam eating with buff still up.

[Alukah]

Correct. Garlok and Nandi are both timers uncontrolled by us. I've been telling people that way before the server maintenance proof -- even though nobody believed me until that happened -.-

The thing is, you cannot ensure you were the first person to spawn in that map, someone else in any corner of the map could have logged in before you with a minion or companion out. Garlok is very likely to work under automatic spawn, but for Nandi I really doubt it.

Garlok doesnt matter with weather change, or rut fate, itsall about the fire arrow on garloks lair.... i walked to his lair earlier, fire arrow'd turned around and bam he was infront of me

That one has been tested enough times to be confirmed as incorrect, it's not even in the original JP text, plus so far no S rank has a class or race requirement in order to spawn. Coincidences happen and that's the reason why Nuny cannot be narrowed down yet.

Hi Vandes and All,

Perhaps SE has another layer (sub-system) besides the Spawn Condition, that might force spawn an S if it hasn't appeared after a while (just to give the players something to do)?

I don't think so, I've seen Nunyunuwi pop shortly after window, I've seen it go days without any sightings, Nunyunuwi seems to be player controlled.

I still think that regardless of Spawn Condition, there's still the RNG aspect: So even if players got the Spawn Condition (Trigger) correct, it wouldn't just be set at 100%.

Look at Brontes - I know some JP players who went through over 1,200 Eggs (and other foods) during the supposed open window (we had full LS's doing this) and nothing. And then seemingly randomly, a day later, it spawns (w/ other people eating food).

Looking at other systems in the game, it's the same w/ SE and their "RNG / Rolls": I've had 95% Chance to Gather some items, and I missed 3 Times in a Row (this has happened a few times). (>_>)

And I've also had 5% Chance to HQ and HQ'd something 4 (FOUR) Times in a Row. LOL. Sigh.

Just saying that there's a real possibility RNG / Roll Chance to Spawn also throws a wrench into everyone's investigation into Spawn Conditions. You might've gotten the right Spawn Condition, but RNG Roll wasn't in your favor. Then... [X Duration / Window Closed to "Roll" Again to Spawn] and then it checks again.

This is pretty much a proven fact now, the chance is never 100%, like the OP says it's either a random chance or a quota must be met.

Vandes has written that this may be the case, or it could just be that a certain threshhold needs to be met. That's why sometimes you can catch one Glimmerscale and see Xona, while other times it could take 20. That is why you repeatedly test these ideas to confirm the theory and eliminate RNG as a factor. If you are consistently seeing extremes, i.e. 1 egg or 1,200 eggs for Brontes, it's probably something more than RNG. There is likely something else that needs to be considered, such as it can't be 1 person eating 1,200 eggs or it has to be a new food effect instead of spam eating with buff still up.

That also makes sense, a system that requires a certain amount of people trying on top of a threshold/chance to spawn.