So resetting's against the rules now?

[ispano]

If the game came out in August 27, 2013 with ToS, and Hunts came out in Patch 2.3, how can resetting a Hunt be against ToS when those rules were made last year?

Because they don't update the ToS with every specific thing, every other week. It's griefing, plain and simple. And that has always been against the ToS. Deal with it.

Nobody ignores them... they can join a party just as easily as anyone else, but they choose not to. Trust me, the hunt groups would rather work cooperatively with everyone, rather than have a handful of people who are insistent on doing things their own way, social norms/etiquette be damned.

It's not against the rules to be a snowflake, but there are times they cause lots of grief to the majority of hunters.

Also, I've seen this falsely stated numerous times recently, but if you're in a full (or even mostly full) party you will ALMOST ALWAYS get full credit on A ranks... and although I've tapered off a bit in the past week, I've spent many, many hours hunting since the patch.

You saw it here folks, he finally gets it. Do you also realize that the more people that are there, the lower that chance gets?

People keep acting like getting full credit in a full party is a total crapshoot, and that couldn't be more deceiving.

Crapshoot? Depends how many are there compared to the rank of the mob.

P.S. Did hunts for an hour or so yesterday. Didn't witness a single reset... but there was still plenty of grief and hostility caused by people pulling as soon as they ran up to the mob. How much worse does this have to get before people realize that early pulling/refusal to cooperate is the catalyst for all the drama?

Except these people AREN'T causing it. The people in the zerg are the ones getting butt bent about it, not the people claiming the mob.

[Nomad-phx]

i reported a couple people for resetting, gms i talked to said resetting them is "mean spirited considering how much effort some players put into getting full credit for hunting". just dont do it lol if your friends cant get to them in time sucks to be them. hunts are open world content therefor first come first serve like fates. ive missed plenty of hunts since implemented but it really doesnt bother me 1 bit but then again i realise theres always going to be more available as long as they're in the game lol

[Thayos]

o you also realize that the more people that are there, the lower that chance gets?

Yes... and in all the hours I've spent hunting -- which is almost certainly WAY longer than you've spent hunting -- I've rarely ever not received full credit when there with a nearly full party. It's such a rare occurrence that it's dumb to even worry about.

Do you also realize that the more people that are there, the lower that chance gets?

Stop drinking the Haterade. The chance of getting full credit remains extremely high even with tons of people there.

Crapshoot?

Contrary to your narrative, it's not much of a crapshoot, otherwise hunts wouldn't be lucrative. And no, people wouldn't spam hunts anyway just for books. The drop rate on books is similar to the drop rate on atma.

Except these people AREN'T causing it. The people in the zerg are the ones getting butt bent about it, not the people claiming the mob.

So you're saying that people in hunt parties are just getting frustrated for no reason? Of course the snowflakes don't get mad, because they're accomplishing their goals of trolling.

Again, contrary to the popular narrative in this thread, most early pullers aren't soloers or light party members... they're members of hunt groups who abuse intel and regularly pull early because they enjoy the trolololololols. So of course they're happy, because their actions are causing grief to everyone else.

Of course, combine the snowflake trolls with the solo snowflakes, and subtract some resets, and what you're seeing now is hunts becoming even MORE hostile and LESS fun. Is this what everyone really wants to see? Sure sounds like it.

[Alukah]

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You all talk as if joining the horde is optional, but then you harass or blacklist those that don't follow the horde, it doesn't seem so optional.

[ispano]

Yes... and in all the hours I've spent hunting -- which is almost certainly WAY longer than you've spent hunting -- I've rarely ever not received full credit when there with a nearly full party. It's such a rare occurrence that it's dumb to even worry about.

Ok, what about every single other participant in ever hunt fight you've been in? Maybe ones that don't cheese the enmity system perhaps?

You can spout all you want about the way you do things. But you and your ilk are doing it effectively against the way it was meant to be. You intentionally put more stress on the servers than they can realistically handle, which also makes it harder for people to get full credit.

So, your way of doing it isn't wrong, and if it was perhaps MUCH smaller groups, not the huge zergs we have, maybe it wouldn't be so bad for you guys. But the thing is, what you guys are doing is so far out of the design intent, why should it be catered to? Why should people who just want to do it normally, get badmouthed by you?

Why not accept that how you are doing it is far from intended, and while allowed, you shouldn't be disturbing those who are doing it as it was intended. We wouldn't have this thread if that was the case.

[Thayos]

You all talk as if joining the horde is optional, but then you harass or blacklist those that don't follow the horde, it doesn't seem so optional.

You make it sound as if I harass and blacklist people. I take offense to that.

But you and your ilk are doing it effectively against the way it was meant to be.

Woot, I have an ilk! And by "ilk," what you mean to say is "the vast majority of people who hunt, including scores of players who aren't even in hunt linkshells." You do realize that lots of people join hunt parties in the party finder, and they don't belong to big hunt groups, right? Yet they still cooperate with others and don't act like D-bags?

I'm going to assume they are part of my ilk, too, since we all work toward a common goal of helping each other succeed.

But the thing is, what you guys are doing is so far out of the design intent, why should it be catered to?

Is it being catered to? SE hasn't done a damn thing to improve the hunt system, other than increase HP and re-tune rewards to make them better for multiple parties.

The better question might be, "why would an average player want to cooperate with others rather than go against the grain?" And my response would be that it's more fun to be cooperative, and it's also more fun to be more successful.

[Mcshiggs]

You make it sound as if I harass and blacklist people. I take offense to that.

Anytime you reset an enemy that someone is fighting, you are harassing them.

[ispano]

You make it sound as if I harass and blacklist people. I take offense to that.

Ok, can you say the same about every single person in the zergs you've been in?

[Thayos]

Anytime you reset an enemy that someone is fighting, you are harassing them.

First, I've never reset a mob.

Second, you are wrong. I don't know if you guys are just refusing to read this or what, but the vast majority of "bad" early pulls out there are done by the same handful of people who abuse intel from hunt linkshells to pull ASAP and troll. These people don't feel harassed when a mob gets reset on them... they feel disappointed, because their attempts at trolling failed. (Fortunately for those trolls though, they can actually file griefing reports, so they still have one last shot at it!)

Now, letter of the law, resetting is a disruption tactic that could result in a violation... but let's stop pretending that every reset is genuinely harassment.

Let's also stop pretending that anyone who isn't being a unique snowflake is part of a singular horde. A lot of people hunting are just random players who have partied up to work together in hunts. These parties, and hunt linkshells, are independent from each other but also collaborate to an extent to try to spread the wealth of hunts.

And, another undeniable fact... there's less drama and people have more fun when people work together.

I get what you're saying about how people have the right to do what they want -- and you're right, they do -- but doing so comes at a cost... and ultimately, that cost is a more toxic environment and damage to the community, which has largely established social norms and etiquette to make up for the poor implementation of hunts.

EDIT: Of course, had SE just capped allied seals at 500/week, then this thread probably wouldn't even be here.

[ispano]

I get what you're saying about how people have the right to do what they want -- and you're right, they do -- but doing so comes at a cost... and ultimately, that cost is a more toxic environment and damage to the community, which has largely established social norms and etiquette to make up for the poor implementation of hunts.

Except they're not the ones making it that way, the people on your side of the fence are. Your groups don't get to decide social norms on their own, especially when they're likely not even half the server. So likely not even a majority.