So resetting's against the rules now?

[Nekodar]

Umm, no you said you told your FC only:

FC was a mis-spell as I meant linkshell, but it's really the same thing as it was also called out in other shells I was in though not by me. It was however shouted out as I said.
It was fully called out and it was ignored because the hoarde found another mark to play with first.
That they had found another mark was mentioned AFTER they called for reset on Marraco btw, which I forgot to mention because I'm still angry at people over this incident and a couple of other incidents since then.

[Eckhart]

All the people complaining here have the major problem of not wanting to play with other people in a massively multiplayer online game. If you want the most out of an MMO you have to be a bro, and bros share. If you want to play by yourself there are literally thousands of single player games for you to choose from on whatever platform you prefer (except ps4.)

Keep missing the point and cry some moar "bro."

Did you read where I said I might want to play with my friends, maybe they are like 60, as in a FC or something?
Just because it's an MMO I'm not forced to tag along 500 strangers just to kill a random spawned mob?

Once again, go re-read the GM's post, and stop spilling nonsense, this has been cleared already.

As far as I'm concerned I PAY the same as you every month, so stop talking like you way to play the game is more valid than mine.
I'm a customer as much as you, and everytime the likes of you resets a mob and I lose credit, you are messing with my enjoyment.

[Appleh4x]

Except you specifically mentioned playing solo and with small groups of friends

No one is forced to follow that guide you love-so-much. If I wanna hunt alone, I do it alone, if I do it with friends, I do it with friends.
I'm not forced to SHOUT to the server, nor I'm obliged for your party to get there in time.

I'm the only one here not crying lol. The GM said the intent is what matters, and if someone resets for the purpose of making others not get seals (he specifically mentioned hunts with large kill mechanics and petrification) then that would be griefing. Resetting so everyone can get seals =/= griefing but he said people are allowed to report if they feel it was and they will investigate and decide if the intent was malicious or not. Maybe you should go back and read.

[Appleh4x]

FC was a mis-spell as I meant linkshell, but it's really the same thing as it was also called out in other shells I was in though not by me. It was however shouted out as I said.
It was fully called out and it was ignored because the hoarde found another mark to play with first.
That they had found another mark was mentioned AFTER they called for reset on Marraco btw, which I forgot to mention because I'm still angry at people over this incident and a couple of other incidents since then.

If you're gonna change your story for the sake of convenience I really can't take you seriously. Join a few hunt LS and be more active in them, it's a very rewarding experience.

[Nekodar]

If you're gonna change your story for the sake of convenience I really can't take you seriously. Join a few hunt LS and be more active in them, it's a very rewarding experience.

Fact: I wrote that it was shouted out, since it was how I learned about it.
Mistake: I wrote I forwarded to FC when I meant LS, but there is no change in meaning.
Fact: It was called out and ignored
Mistake: Forgetting to point out that the reason why it was ignored was learned only after they had cried for reset.
Mistake: Writing that I missed/misspelled some details because I was still angry at this and other incidents.

I have been more active than most in the hunt shells I'm in, called out plenty in LS, FC and /shout of which more than a few have been ones I found before anyone else. With most people just sitting somewhere waiting for a mark to be announced, that's not difficult.

This time I just happened to be in Coerthas on other business.


Big mistake: Writing anything on these forums at all.

[Tiraelina]

Except you specifically mentioned playing solo and with small groups of friends

I'm the only one here not crying lol. The GM said the intent is what matters, and if someone resets for the purpose of making others not get seals (he specifically mentioned hunts with large kill mechanics and petrification) then that would be griefing. Resetting so everyone can get seals =/= griefing but he said people are allowed to report if they feel it was and they will investigate and decide if the intent was malicious or not. Maybe you should go back and read.

No. You just continue to twist Enkrateia's words to suit your purposes. Resetting for any reason is enough for an investigation and likely action. Your personal intent is irrelevant. You are willingly disrupting everyone that was already there.

Big mistake: Writing anything on these forums at all.

I can only imagine how the CM's and GM's feel.

[Appleh4x]

No. You just continue to twist Enkrateia's words to suit your purposes. Resetting for any reason is enough for an investigation and likely action. Your personal intent is irrelevant. You are willingly disrupting everyone that was already there.



I can only imagine how the CM's and GM's feel.

I haven't twisted anything. Everyone else here is saying "x is harassment/disruption/bannable" when the GM said that it all boils down to if the GM thinks the intent of the reset is punishable or not. The GM is the only one with power, the only one who can say whether each specific event is punishable or not, and the only one who can enforce it. I'm one of the few people taking what he said at face value.

[Velo_Vandore]

All the people complaining here have the major problem of not wanting to play with other people in a massively multiplayer online game. If you want the most out of an MMO you have to be a bro, and bros share. If you want to play by yourself there are literally thousands of single player games for you to choose from on whatever platform you prefer (except ps4.) Notice that "massively" is the first word in MMO, 8 people =/= massive. If you want to have a good community you should do content with the whole server community, like hunts.

I do understand what you mean, but the hunts are just not designed for massive groups. Odin and Behemoth are, but hunts are intended for much less. I would also argue shouting for invites to random parties, then zerging rather than co-ordinated effort is a less appealing community event than having the 8 people nearby with you take on a decent challenge together and perhaps be more likely to communicate and make friends.

Hundreds of people packed into a rush hour train together are not a community, just hundreds of individuals doing the same thing.

[Ghishlain]

@ Appleh4x AKA Aka Kistune,

For your own reference, I'll just quote an earlier post of mine:

However, that being said, the reality of these intentions have been pointed out in this thread by others: by intentionally resetting a hunt mark, you have chosen to interfere with the game play of other customers.

Which then leads to this:

Resetting hunt marks, for any reason, can be reported as a violation, and a GM will make the final decision on if this action was in violation of the rules or not. While intent is considered, it is also weighed with factors like impact and account history, just to list two of the many considerations a GM may allow into the investigation. Focusing on your good/bad intentions will only cause any account action to come as a surprise, since you may consider yourself on the "good" side of that split. Historically, almost everyone in Mordion Gaol for this violation does (or claims to). Focusing on your intent also removes focus from the second part of the investigation, which is:


In light of that external analysis, your claimed intent may not be considered the actual intent at the end of the investigation.

In short, the GMs would prefer you not reset the hunt at for, for any intent because though you may perceive it as good, you are still affecting the game play of others and you yourself are risking suspension / banning for doing such action.

The GMs would prefer you do not reset at all because they would rather not see you risk getting suspended despite good intentions.

[Appleh4x]

I do understand what you mean, but the hunts are just not designed for massive groups. Odin and Behemoth are, but hunts are intended for much less. I would also argue shouting for invites to random parties, then zerging rather than co-ordinated effort is a less appealing community event than having the 8 people nearby with you take on a decent challenge together and perhaps be more likely to communicate and make friends.

from the patch notes "although the Rank S maximum HP level was already intended for multiple parties, we have further raised the necessary number to require even more parties.
Similar to Odin and Behemoth."