So resetting's against the rules now?

[Appleh4x]

I do understand what you mean, but the hunts are just not designed for massive groups. Odin and Behemoth are, but hunts are intended for much less. I would also argue shouting for invites to random parties, then zerging rather than co-ordinated effort is a less appealing community event than having the 8 people nearby with you take on a decent challenge together and perhaps be more likely to communicate and make friends.

from the patch notes "although the Rank S maximum HP level was already intended for multiple parties, we have further raised the necessary number to require even more parties.
Similar to Odin and Behemoth."

[Velo_Vandore]

from the patch notes "although the Rank S maximum HP level was already intended for multiple parties, we have further raised the necessary number to require even more parties.
Similar to Odin and Behemoth."

Ok, that's fine, but in my opinion re-setting is still unfair in any case. If the group wants to have a go at taking down the enemy with less that's their choice. It's their own risk, and they don't have to adhere to another persons ideals of community. While I understand your sentiment is good, you can't force that on people. Ultimately, think of players like me that just want to clear one hunt a week for my elite bill, but it's very difficult to do because of the amount of people greedily farming huge amounts of seals and re-setting the mobs I found first.

I'll repeat however, that I blame the design more than the players who chose farming hunts - they should cap tomes or simply limit rewards to those who have the weekly bill.

[Appleh4x]

Ok, that's fine, but in my opinion re-setting is still unfair in any case. If the group wants to have a go at taking down the enemy with less that's their choice. It's their own risk, and they don't have to adhere to another persons ideals of community. While I understand your sentiment is good, you can't force that on people. Ultimately, think of players like me that just want to clear one hunt a week for my elite bill, but it's very difficult to do because of the amount of people greedily farming huge amounts of seals and re-setting the mobs I found first.

You realize that by wanting to take the hunt on alone it makes you more greedy than if you shared with other people? Not sharing = greedy, sharing = not greedy; we learn this at a very young age. You should just shout "invite" in the zone when the mob is up and you'll get in a group ASAP, get your bill completed, and be on your way.

[Eckhart]

You realize that by wanting to take the hunt on alone it makes you more greedy than if you shared with other people? Not sharing = greedy, sharing = not greedy; we learn this at a very young age. You should just shout "invite" in the zone when the mob is up and you'll get in a group ASAP, get your bill completed, and be on your way.

Sure, because you apply thsoe rules to everything in life. I MUST share my girlfriend with all the guys I meet, because you know... I'm greedy otherwise.

You can't apply that kind of logic to a HUNTING GAME MECHANIC.

HUNT = FINDERS KEEPERS.

The FUN of the system is actually finding it, and KILLING IT. Not farming it like a freaking zombie army. Lost a mark, suck it up, move on the the next. simple.

[Appleh4x]

Sure, because you apply thsoe rules to everything in life. I MUST share my girlfriend with all the guys I meet, because you know... I'm greedy otherwise.

You can't apply that kind of logic to a HUNTING GAME MECHANIC.

HUNT = FINDERS KEEPERS.

The FUN of the system is actually finding it, and KILLING IT. Not farming it like a freaking zombie army. Lost a mark, suck it up, move on the the next. simple.

If you monopolize 100% of your girlfriend's time and don't let her talk to or be around other people which would be the appropriate way to share then you are doing the whole dating thing wrong. You can totally apply sharing to a MMO open world mechanic that literally everyone has the ability to equally benefit from if shared. Actually, it's probably the most basic and easy thing to share because if you do it correctly you don't lose anything by sharing, and end up benefiting more people who also don't lose anything.

From the very beginning I've failed to see how resetting a B-rank mob being fought by a small group is in any way justified. These marks are meant for small parties, and when someone runs in and resets the mob so that their whole linkshell can get there & the smaller party loses claim (and part of their reward), it's definitely harrassment. No question about it.

If you're upset about B ranks then you aren't even hunting right. B rank literally aren't even worth the effort since they can't drop logs, give 1/4 the credit of As and melt in 2 seconds to even small groups. Go for the big fish and you'll be rewarded



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Thanks for the definition :/

I've never received the full reward for a hunt but I'm not an active hunter. I understand I can get a better chance at the full reward by joining a party and spamming medica or something, but that's a ridiculous way to play in my opinion when nobody needs heals. I would rather engage the enemy with a smaller group and enjoy playing in a more engaging way. You may think it's selfish but some players value actual gameplay over rewards for doing essentially nothing.

Fates work the same way, blame SE for how they give you points not me.

[Eckhart]

Now you finally made a point. You can share it and everyone can take profit from it.

But now you must accept the other side of the coin, we are NOT obliged to share it, and by rightfully not doing it, I'm not greedy nor a bad person, because it's a freaking hunting game.

And by the way, I play with many people in the game on a daily basis, just because my anger words directed to you because you still won't grasp a different side of the coin, even after a GM stated it, does not mean I'm a loner, that I don't belong here, only playing siingle players, because, that's discriminatory to say the least, for you to say something like that.

[Eckhart]

If you monopolize 100% of your girlfriend's time and don't let her talk to or be around other people which would be the appropriate way to share then you are doing the whole dating thing wrong.

Except there's a difference between not sharing your girlfriend (as in, love and you know what else), and invalidating her freedom.
And obviously I was referring to the former, but you brought up the latter, for the sake of your flawed argument.

And by the way, let us choose if B's are useless or not, for those of us who don't want to play the zombie-fest game, we enjoy killing B's without someone resseting it.

[Ashkendor]

If you monopolize 100% of your girlfriend's time and don't let her talk to or be around other people which would be the appropriate way to share then you are doing the whole dating thing wrong. You can totally apply sharing to a MMO open world mechanic that literally everyone has the ability to equally benefit from if shared. Actually, it's probably the most basic and easy thing to share because if you do it correctly you don't lose anything by sharing, and end up benefiting more people who also don't lose anything.

Except in this case it's the zerg horde trying to monopolize every single mark, whether it's already claimed or not.

There are a finite number of people that can get full credit for a mob because it takes doing a certain amount of damage to the mob to achieve full credit. Since mobs, y'know, actually die we can safely assume that they have a finite number of hit points. So no, this isn't a situation where "everyone" can receive full credit for each kill, especially on the lower rank mobs. B mobs die in seconds, barely enough time to get 2-3 attacks in.

[Velo_Vandore]

You realize that by wanting to take the hunt on alone it makes you more greedy than if you shared with other people? Not sharing = greedy, sharing = not greedy; we learn this at a very young age. You should just shout "invite" in the zone when the mob is up and you'll get in a group ASAP, get your bill completed, and be on your way.

Thanks for the definition :/

I've never received the full reward for a hunt but I'm not an active hunter. I understand I can get a better chance at the full reward by joining a party and spamming medica or something, but that's a ridiculous way to play in my opinion when nobody needs heals. I would rather engage the enemy with a smaller group and enjoy playing in a more engaging way. You may think it's selfish but some players value actual gameplay over rewards for doing essentially nothing.

If you engage before people arrive you will not be reprimanded for griefing, but if you re-set the mob you can. That's the way it is and should be.