So resetting's against the rules now?

[Aylis]

Yes, I will agree, the world of XIV is certainly much less dangerous than the world of XI, so it might not be an issue of trying to MPK the tagging party, though I imagine claim bots will still be used to try to tag these mobs if they are made to only be engaged by that individual's party.

Oh I imagine so too, but to solve that issue? That falls completely in the hands of Square Enix staff and GM's. If a person is proved of hacking and cheating to save the spawn or botting. Then a flat out ban for them. Other wise a legitimate player alone against a fight meant to challenge 8 players I don't think would last very long alone. Its all in the fight coding and mechanics.

[Thayos]

However, once the mob is engaged, it's unfair for someone that was (for example) afk or in a dungeon when the information came across their linkshell/FC to either 1) show up and reset the mob themselves (usually only happens if it's a small group fighting it with no tank) or 2) get someone in their linkshell/FC that's already at the fight to reset it so that they have time to get there. You were otherwise engaged so you lost out on this particular one.

I agree!

But that is just one of many possible things that could happen. Not all reasons for resetting are "right." Just like not all early pulls are "right."

The only thing clear is what's against the rules and what's not... but that's not the same as right and wrong.

[Welsper59]

I agree!

But that is just one of many possible things that could happen. Not all reasons for resetting are "right." Just like not all early pulls are "right."

The only thing clear is what's against the rules and what's not... but that's not the same as right and wrong.

I think you need to establish what you think an "early pull" is. Is it when a different group pulls an elite when your group (or whoevers) isn't around at the time, making them the only ones around? Because I can flat out tell you, that's not an "early pull" in the same context of what would justifiably be called that.

The justified reasons to reset are VERY few and very specific in situation. As in maybe 2 or 3 reasons. One of which is simply a "mistake" or negligence, which can easily be proven against you if it happens repeatedly (even across more than just this one target). Another would be one we can all agree with, being that there was a proposed time to pull a currently neutral mob, and someone pulled earlier than that. There really aren't many other reasons beyond those 2 that could rightfully be harmless or acceptable.

[Talathion]

Hey guys, the Talathion here.

There is nothing wrong with this tactic, it is actually a great tactic and has been used in contested games for ages. If you don't like it you can roll a tank and use your abilities to pull the mob back. However you shouldn't get "banned" or "suspended" for using your abilities, or you may as well ban every tank on the server for doing their job.

[Alukah]

Hey guys, the Talathion here.

There is nothing wrong with this tactic, it is actually a great tactic and has been used in contested games for ages. If you don't like it you can roll a tank and use your abilities to pull the mob back. However you shouldn't get "banned" or "suspended" for using your abilities, or you may as well ban every tank on the server for doing their job.

I didn't know tanking abilities were given to tank just so they can grief others.

The more you know.

Deceptions Wrath that mentality would never work on hyperion. I'm so glad that I'm part of a server where the majority of people atleast are not in that competative manor but trying to help as many as possible instead of thinking about just their own group. As long as your hate build on the mob with your group is high enough it doesnt matter really. Its sad that you would ruin other peoples gameplay if you would still get full credit. I'm not pointing fingers maybe the mentality is like that on Leviathan all I can say its too bad its like that where you are. I can't speak for all servers but im glad that over 20 groups have a mutual agreement when farming these hunts since we are all connected to eachothers linkshells one way or another.

You are so delusional it's just cute. There was another thread not so long ago, one of your sheeps defending the current system of Hyperion while the minority was complaining about how they are mistreated, do you just turn a blind eye to those people?

[Talathion]

I didn't know tanking abilities were given to tank just so they can grief others.

The more you know.

Maybe that is why its called a "taunt", because your taunting an enemy: Aka causing them grief so they attack you. Its roleplay wise and makes sense lore wise.

What doesn't make sense though is the mob leashing. It should go on forever following the guy. Even maybe gain a speed boost because of how angry he or she is.

[R1dder]

honestly hate ppl who resets marks... Every tank wanna display a good-guy attitude, but really when u've been hunting for a while it's just frustrating. You have no right to stop players from doing marks without the presence of ur entire FC.

[Thayos]

I think you need to establish what you think an "early pull" is.

That would be just as pointless as the GM trying to give a simple answer.

[Welsper59]

That would be just as pointless as the GM trying to give a simple answer.

Not exactly, as you generally wouldn't be reported by someone for the reasons I stated. If you're not reported, you probably didn't do anything that others involved felt wronged over. Even if you were reported under those situations, there would be enough evidence to say that you were acting acceptably. And they do need to use words and details to do said report, which is why understanding what people consider something to be, like an "early pull" is rather important. Not only does it provide potential insight for others as to what you think that is, but it also provides insight for you to what others think it is. Hence a preventative to actions that would otherwise be reported. That isn't exactly "pointless" when you really think about it.

Honestly, I feel like I've probably done more hunts than most people in this thread, and most people just roll with the punches from early pulls or resets. I think it's more of an issue on the forums than it is among people who actually do hunts.

Definitely entertaining to talk about, though.

That's partly because a lot of folks don't want to bother dealing with the hordes. Many don't mind of course, but ask anyone that isn't doing them about why they don't. I guarantee that an overwhelming majority will state at least one reason being the negativity and lack of enjoyment to be found unless you were part of the dominant groups.

[PrimeEvilPanda]

That would be just as pointless as the GM trying to give a simple answer.

According to Herd Mentality, it's simple: an individual outside of the HERD is selfish for pulling without waiting for "the rest of the server" (please, this statement constitutes the dominant Hunt Linkshell and IIRC Network only). If you're a member of said Hunt network pulling, I have yet to see any of them reset the mob to some poor individual who shouted "wait please" - you know what they're answer would be: "Too bad - should've gotten here quicker when we called the timer".

Across each server, small groups are trying to dictate the rules of The Hunt with the rest of the community to suit their own motives - them resetting the mobs for "the greater good of the community" is BS and you know it. At the moment, you're not complaining about this system because it's working fine for you. The irony though, when the system eventually screws you over, I wager you'll be the first person in the thread complaining that "something's gotta be done!".

This is how human nature works: the ones bitching are the ones that have been screwed over by the system and the "haves" at the moment don't see anything wrong because they haven't been negatively impacted yet.