Seriously the only reason why they're even relevant is because their is nothing else better to play. When summoners couldn't get credit at launch from FATES and they allowed FATES to be the best experience in the game beneath dungeons like prenerf Qarn and AV, i knew it was a matter of time before others felt this crappy system. I've been approached for help with bot programs and macro makers. Seriously? Perhaps I"m just too old from MMORPG if this is the path they are taking. Back in my day, we actually played the game with adequate risk vs reward. Nothing sucks more than joining a Hunt mob at half health while you are just coming out of a duty, hop in and participate and get 1 blood seal on your scholar. It's not our fault they can't write code like the devs in RIFT or GW.