iLVL 105 + is a joke!

[abzoluut]

This is not about hunts. However, this is about one of the concequenses hunts have brought us. While do hunt itself needs changes, the discrepancy reward wise between hunts and other content leads to massive discussions.

If hunts were added when soldiery came out, there would be less discussion about this particular point. You could have only upgraded one piece every week (two weeks for a big piece). Now we have a huge group with (almost) full soldiery characters or maybe more than one. Hunts are spammed.

Mind I point out we have another problem: iLVL 105+ people who unfortunately have very little (<--- huge euphemism there to avoid the ELITIST! comments) knowledge of their job.

SE needs to stop trying to make this safe environment where everyone is happy. I understand their motivation to implement content so everyone can get to max iLVL. It would be nice when this happens through challenging content rather than one mob fates. What good does it do when people just gear up, but skill is left behind? We'll have another discrepancy in 2.4 which will lead to more "nerf content" threads.

I too want as many people happy playing this game. For me it starts to look like we need two modes for endgame. I don't see a proper middle ground solution other than this. I also don't see the harm in having two modes. Now it feels like both groups, people screaming for easier content and the ones who are fine with it or don't even mind a more difficult challenge, are being punished.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

It's less of a "we want have players make sure they aren't getting facedstomped" and more of a "we want to give people more options to obtain the same loot"


The hunts were just poorly executed.

[Musashidon]

or leave things how they are. things are just fine. ilvl doesn't matter are you saying you are fine with a i100 player being bad but not a i105 player?

people who are bad will always be bad, people who know what they are doing will always know what they are doing. ilvl makes no difference in skill.

[abzoluut]

are you saying you are fine with a i100 player being bad but not a i105 player?

Not what I'm saying. Just wanted to emphasize the iLVL vs skill disrepancy which will get bigger and bigger as I mentioned. I also vouche for content which teaches less skilled players to be better. I'm in an FC/SCoB static and while I think this is part of an MMO (find solid people to play with/manage a group), I would like to have a solid server rather than hoping for the best whenever I pug something with an alt or whatnot.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

You already have guildhests that basically teaches players how to tackle challenges in a group and you have class and job quests that forces the player to learn how to utilize their skills. You can't really do anything more than that unless you want to force people to sit through a tutorial that they will probably gloss over anyway.


Pugs are going to be pugs no matter what. You want a team that is organized? That's why you got your friends or the party finder to use. DF is for people who want a quick match up without having to set up. Some people are never going to improve so don't hold your breath when joining pugs.

[AldoVonAlexandros]

same happened with fates, people saying that those peoples had little knowledge of their job, this is not hunts fault, i can say that i cant do 2nd coil right now, so hunts can keep me with a good ilvl and i can say im a great healer, i've been playing almost a year.

Just do things as we have been doing it, if its a bad player, replace him/her, there r good players with daystar/evenstar and there are bad players with high allagan, so

[Illya]

People who judge players by ilvl are doing it wrong anyways. This is a non-issue.

[Yoninxi]

I do find it hilarious when high Ilvl people fail to mechanics constantly and blame it on lag or "wasn't paying attention". Easy to obtain I level made it more apparent lol. I had a whiny i106 mnk in Levi ex just now who was complaining about everything, but kept falling off the boat, getting hit with bombs and dives, and so on. Like others said before bad players will be bad, Ilvl isn't and will never be an accurate gauge of skill.

[Jon_00]

Patch 2.3 is a stepping-stone into 2.4.

For a long time now I've had my i98 gear, and not been able to progress in second coil. I'm now i106 and onto T7. From the perspective of a new player, patch 2.3 is working as intended. I've got the 'easy gear' and now progressing.

[Alistaire]

I hear ya, had a pld with 110 burtgang in a dungeon the other day that was using several rage of halones consecutively. The bar has been raised...in terms of how bad a player you can be and still get higher gear.