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    Yes that doesn't confirm anything either way.

    I'm just thinking about a situation where you have Novus at i110, and then it gets raised to i120 at the same time that we get i130 (or i135 weapons). Basically, if they wait that long, Novus will be complete junk to anyone who's serious about their gear. Personally I think that's far less likely to happen than them kicking HA to the curb before 2.4 (they are already doing this with hunts).

    I'm actually predicting the same scenario, the weapons will be opened up before 2.4, but they won't leave enough time for your typical player to get the upgrade done before 2.4 hits. That way you get people started and committed on the next step before the patch comes out, rather than abandoning the weapons. But who really knows right?

    There will be a time that comes soon when you have to look at the weapons and say "well, I can farm coil for a month for i115, or I can farm my i110 Novus for 2-3"... (different in 2.4 obviously, possibly longer for Novus?!). It will stop adding up and making sense, if that's not already the case now. That situation is only going to become more pronounced as we move through patches and content. I.e. when does months of busywork become more of a burden than clearing coil?
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    Quote Originally Posted by blowfin View Post
    Yes that doesn't confirm anything either way.

    I'm just thinking about a situation where you have Novus at i110, and then it gets raised to i120 at the same time that we get i130 (or i135 weapons). Basically, if they wait that long, Novus will be complete junk to anyone who's serious about their gear. Personally I think that's far less likely to happen than them kicking HA to the curb before 2.4 (they are already doing this with hunts).
    They won't. Yoshi said there will be a clear ladder to them, and that Allagan will be on top. That's also why they raised Allagan to 95 back then. So you can continue to wish and hope, but not going to happen.

    Why? Because SE wants people to do Coil. They know that what happened with hunts likely reduced how many people are doing coil, and that's not something they want. The weapons are there as the prize for people who clear it all.

    Quote Originally Posted by blowfin View Post
    There will be a time that comes soon when you have to look at the weapons and say "well, I can farm coil for a month for i115, or I can farm my i110 Novus for 2-3"... (different in 2.4 obviously, possibly longer for Novus?!). It will stop adding up and making sense, if that's not already the case now. That situation is only going to become more pronounced as we move through patches and content. I.e. when does months of busywork become more of a burden than clearing coil?
    If you were to ask some of the people who post on this forum, never. Considering many of them feel Coil is too restrictive to ever do.

    In the end, that's the point of relics. An alternative. Not an equal alternative of course, but more than good enough if you choose not to do coil.
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    So at the end of the day, at the rate of grind we're going with, relic line will never be top of the line or 1st choice for early raiders unless SE starts removing options from players (what little of it) or minimize the grind by alot.
    Exactly, and it will start to stink pretty soon (if it doesn't already) unless they address it with nerfs (insulting to people who've completed) or make the weapons more relevant.

    Something that's forgotten is that there are plenty of raiders out there with Novus too. I'd imagine at some point they'd like their Novus weapons to actually be relevant! At least for a short period of time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blowfin View Post
    I'd imagine at some point they'd like their Novus weapons to actually be relevant! At least for a short period of time.
    For now the current stand is that relic will always be 2nd best in terms of stats, 2nd or 3rd best when it comes to speed of acquisition for a coil tackling weapon. They have dropped NO hints on otherwise. Believing SE/yoship will do the right thing is a merely pipedream when you look at how they handled other oversights, like hunts.

    Quote Originally Posted by ispano View Post
    The only difference is --- the most important stat.
    Exactly. Atma was a useless step. We could have gone straight to animus. Could have even combined it into one by getting the atmas and then changing/exchanging them into books, resulting in 12 books with shorter contents (50 enemies, 2 dungeons, 2 fates, 2 leves).
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    Just to comment on the thread I posted on BG -- 100% of that information has been stated in some form or fashion in a Letter LIVE or in one of Yoshi-P's various interviews going as far back as speculation regarding 2.1 (and beyond), so it practically his info and ideas since FFXIV ARR began. Of course anything regarding 2.1~2.3 has been removed as they've obviously been implemented into the game.

    I could go even further back and post information that was released before ARR, but it will take some time (and have many conflicting ideas and viewpoints), so I might create a separate section for it as soon as I've collected a considerable about of data on it.

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    When it comes to the relic questline, Yoshi-P has changed his planning regarding the quest at least twice already. He once stated that it would extend to patch 2.25, but of course this was changed to 2.28, while skipping over 2.3. Since he wants to continue the questline, as he's stated that the appearance of the weapons would change soon, the only logical patch for this would be 2.4, as the ilevel cap would rise slightly as well. However, there simply hasn't been any information hinting at this or confirming it, so it could technically be any future patch (including 2.35) as well.

    It has been determined to be like this, since March 2014:

    1) There will always be a weapon in play that's the "best" weapon, but would be outdated completely after a couple of months. This weapon would be initially difficult to obtain, but could be done overtime. (Allagan, High Allagan)

    2) There will always be a weapon that takes considerable amount of time to upgrade, but will surpass other weapons as patches are implemented. (Relic)

    3) There will always be a weapon with a very bad droprate (or require a token system, or both), but with considerable stats. (Leviathan Mirror Weapons, Ramuh Weapons, Gerolt Weapons pre-2.3)

    I'm guessing eventually the relic weapons questline will be so long that eventually they will become the best weapons as justification for all of the work put in. That or they will be on par with the highest level raid weapons that are added.
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    Well as Novus our "star has been born" (finished Bravura last night: 31 DET/33 CRIT/11 ACC wooo). So I don't think we're all that far way from that point. As to the timeline who knows? I get a kick out of these crystal ball discussions if you didn't guess =)

    And yes, I would totally expect us to roll into the expansion with Relic being BiS weapons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blowfin View Post
    And yes, I would totally expect us to roll into the expansion with Relic being BiS weapons.

    And by then, the glow effect on the relic is most likely going to resemble a pack of skittles.


    Taste the ArtemisBow! ....
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    So are we anticipating that 2.35 will go live on a typical Monday - Tuesday reset night on 8/18/2014 - 8/19/2014? If I'm reading this right.
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    Since the live letter will be on August 22, now I'm confused about "week after next"
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