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    Felis's Avatar
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    Skadi Felis
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alistaire View Post
    But it's not irony.

    Coil people want sands to come from coil. They were mad/displeased/whatever, that they added a 2nd option, of course they're going to feel the same about a suggestion for a third. There's absolutely nothing ironic about that.
    There is already coming a third option that was once the planned 2nd option before 2.3
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    Last edited by Felis; 08-05-2014 at 05:21 PM.

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    I think what people Fail to realize is that this game is about a year old now (ARR that is, i didn't need to point that out but you know, people) this gear WILL be outdated in upcoming patches and i secretly suspect SE wants you to cap out on this stuff as they are planing to release content that will make all of that moot.

    So all this complaining about it is pointless. Then coil people will rush to the new gear. and then High allagan armor/weapons will be "for casuals" etc. This cycle will always continue.
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    Mizuki Ishikawa
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    Belias
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    Quote Originally Posted by Volcano View Post
    and then High allagan armor/weapons will be "for casuals" etc. This cycle will always continue.
    How will High Allagan ever be for casuals, when no one bothers running it? o_0 Why would you spend hours learning hop-skip-and-jump mechanics like that, for what will essentially become nothing but glamour-ware?

    Missing the point.
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    Cullen Dionysion
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    I don't understand why the 'leet' would be so irritated by this request. You already have your 'I'm better than you' High Allagan to wear. You can't buy that with soldiery.

    So at the heart, it's the ilvl. For some reason you can't stand having a casual player have the same ilvl as you? That's bizarre. You have your special gear. Your achievements. Your attitude (clearly). Just let the number go? It's all a gear treadmill anyway. Soon you'll have a whole new set of leet armor to show you're better than us plebeians.
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    So at the heart, it's the ilvl. For some reason you can't stand having a casual player have the same ilvl as you? That's bizarre. You have your special gear. Your achievements. Your attitude (clearly). Just let the number go? It's all a gear treadmill anyway. Soon you'll have a whole new set of leet armor to show you're better than us plebeians.
    It's because some people have the illusion that if they get BiS gear, it should remain BiS forever, and always be as hard to obtain as it was originally. Otherwise people haven't "earnt" it with their horse and carriage. Considering that we're a year into this game and it's very obviously a vertical progression model, that kind of sentiment is pretty daft.

    I mean have a think about this, the other thing that has changed recently was the speed of acquisition of Novus weapons (via the huge increase in Myth output). This effectively de-valued the work of people who had completed their weapons before Myth got buffed. However, I don't see any complaints from the Novus owners out there that it's now easier to acquire, but there are plenty of raiders who were vocal about Sands/Oil/UAT being added outside of coil. Clearly the conclusion to come out of this is: Raiders = Whiners.

    I'm very interested in seeing how delicious people's tears will be when they announce the next phase of the Novus update, because it's almost certainly going to trump HA weapons.
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    Kajukai Korin
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    Shiva
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    I don't know If anyone said it already, but you'll be able to purchase SoT,OoT,UAT with sold in around 3 months, which will be unlimited. So if you can't/don't want to do Coil or Hunts, you need to wait. SoT will drop in ST 'soon', but that's way harder to get.
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    They layered vertical progression in every patch until 2.3, and then wrote off almost every piece of instance content added since 2.0 release.
    Hah. Garuda/Titan/Ifrit EX and Rowena's Tokens would like a word with you. They got written off in 2.2. So Did Binding Coil for that matter. Something similar will happen in every major patch, it's just that hunts have had a bigger impact than normal.

    What bothers me more is when we get content that doesn't even seem designed to last a full patch cycle (e.g.):
    - CT
    - ST
    - Ramuh EX

    Having said all that seal acquisition from hunts is pretty damn high, and it's hard for them to go back now. Dailies certainly need a buff though.

    Oils from ST are a great example of something that's nearly a complete waste of time targeting, you're simply better off doing hunts. It would be pretty nice if they could fix this too, and to be perfectly blunt they should add Sands. It's not as if people are struggling to get them from hunts.

    When 6/8 people are still trying to lot Sands in ST on a Monday night before reset, I can't help but think it's a bit broken.
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    Last edited by blowfin; 08-05-2014 at 05:04 PM.

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    Mizuki Ishikawa
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    Belias
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    Quote Originally Posted by blowfin View Post
    What bothers me more is when we get content that doesn't even seem designed to last a full patch cycle (e.g.):
    Doesn't last a week, let alone a patch cycle. The complete lack of comment on all this is astounding too. We've had over a year of clarification and explanation, and then when it comes to the biggest single f*ck up they've made since 2.0's launch, they won't even confirm it's being played out as intended.

    2.4 needs to be pretty monumental to justify resubscription, and I don't just mean the new classes. Anyone with a brain and the stomach for the hunts farce will have that capped and near ilvl 100 in the first week.
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    Alukah Bast
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amberyl View Post
    Doesn't last a week, let alone a patch cycle. The complete lack of comment on all this is astounding too. We've had over a year of clarification and explanation, and then when it comes to the biggest single f*ck up they've made since 2.0's launch, they won't even confirm it's being played out as intended.

    2.4 needs to be pretty monumental to justify resubscription, and I don't just mean the new classes. Anyone with a brain and the stomach for the hunts farce will have that capped and near ilvl 100 in the first week.
    Watch them come out with a ridiculous ilvl increase (130 or 140) just to invalidate i110.
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    Ryel Altaria
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alukah View Post
    Watch them come out with a ridiculous ilvl increase (130 or 140) just to invalidate i110.
    Is it confirmed that the next set of coil will be the last major ilvl increase before the expansion? Because if it is, i wouldn't be surprised if they took that time to make a massive jump in ilvl to compensate for Hunts and to buy time for expansion release.
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