From Mog to you: Darkhold full clear, 4 chests, 20 minutes remaining.

[Deceptistar]

You're taking certain things out of context here. It's fine if you provide some constructive criticism, but again, jumping into a thread claiming things are easy, or shouldn't be done that way, without any information to support the theory/idea/etc, it provides no discussion whatsoever, just a baseless comment. It's only bickering and nonsense.

Not really. Have you not realized that my post is just answering yours? My initial post was a comment in response to why a certain person might be feeling how he is. Apparently pple didnt like anyone even remotely trying to explain for him and pple including you immediately jumped in and nitpicked pieces on a comment.
From there i had to go on to explain why i said what i said, and its come to the point where i can lay out all what i hear and seen but your just complaining for the sake of complaining cause you dont like what you see. Its as if your asking for some kinda big theory, on a casual comment that no one would even question irl (well at most roll their eyes),
(ex: boys are stinky!! girls are chatterboxes!)
and ive tried to keep my posts sarcasm free and explain as best as i can even with the snide comebacks. >_>;;

You're agruing with me about something I'm not even commenting about, so I'm unsure why you are even mentioning some of this stuff. I don't care if people praise or condemn, so long as it's constructive.

im just replying to what your posting is all. >.>;

Also, I know very well what a discussion is, and making that statement goes against what you were saying in your previous post (see; snide remarks). So if you want to take a walk down this road, I'd be more than happy to start dictating definitions to you as well, seeing as how you missed responding to any of my valid points.

...um no.. im just replying to what your posting is all. Your just blowing it out of proportion and over reacting <_<; i did reply to what you said but i cant help you if you dont want to accept that answer =/ i cant keep on giving you unlimited answers so that one may fit your tastes.

[BadJoeRed]

TheVedis is a troll.

Mog great job you COMPLETED the raid and did it with time to spare. Great job.

This post is accurate.

[Petori]

sup cuties.

I pity the buyers if chests give 'em DM.

[Richardd]

I pity the buyers if chests give 'em DM.

We issue refunds if the gear isn't dropped. Been pretty successful thus far with mercs

[Belial]

your just complaining for the sake of complaining cause you dont like what you see.

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That's different from complaining about someone's class set-up.... how? You're defending someone for something, while condemning another for, apparently, the same act. Tsk.

Apparently pple didnt like anyone even remotely trying to explain for him and pple including you immediately jumped in and nitpicked pieces on a comment.

You responded to my comment first sir, and only part of it at that, I'd suggest taking your own advice.

Now, I understand you said earlier that you were JP, and I'm not saying this to be rude, but you clearly do not understand what I'm telling you. So at that, I bid this conversation adieu.

[Petori]

We issue refunds if the gear isn't dropped. Been pretty successful thus far with mercs

Oh I see. Well that is certainly fair.

[TirionCrey]

Yeah, it really seems as if strategies between LSs are pretty similiar if they know what they are doing and got some "theorycrafting" going on.

Our LS didn't do nearly as much runs as most of the hardcore shells, but it took just a few tries on Ogre to figure out what would work well. We started off with just random positioning on first tries, then switched to 2 set camps after and got him down. Sometimes I got killed running between those 2 camps though, cause of healer repositioning and being out of range to me while doing that, so the next step was to figure out how to avoid that and then we figured out it would prolly be best for the tank to seek out one spot to stay at and let the rest of the group reposition only while staying in range to me all the time. Worked out really well, Ogre became a joke and now it's all about Batraal.

If people are able to think, it's really not that hard to figure out strategies. I mean, the first time we reached Batraal ever, we only had 4min left but in those 4 minutes we already figured out that tanking him South East is the best choice, cause we saw that the eyes never leave the great room, so why position yourself there, if you can avoid them. Next step was to figure out how to deal with the skeletons during the fight. 2 choices, keep them seperate and focus kill them or zerg them in one spot with AoE. We decided for the zerg them in one spot strategy and just spam AoEs. One downside on that strategy is, on the last skeleton spawn phase that puts you under danger, cause IF the 3 skeletons all AoE at once, this can become an instant wipe. We had 2CON 1 THM on our 3 real Batraal tries we did so far and on our last try we reached the last phase and got him to around 35%. We weren't prepared for the massive dmg increase on me as a tank in that moment, so the THM from the add group helped my CON healer to keep me alive, putting the add group at risk with one healer only and it happened, all 3 skeletons used their AoE and almost the whole add group died except for 2ppl. After that incident we decided to take 4 casters on the next run, so we have 2 healers on the tank and 2 healers on the add group. And another thing I had to figure out on tanking Batraal was, that once he is in phase 4 you can almost avoid all high dmg attacks from him, but facing it the first time that's kinda rough to figure out instantly, so I think on our next few tries he should definetely go down easily.

It's all about the skill of ppl and them paying attention. If that's given, the dungeon really is not a big deal, but as it is in most MMOs, it is here as well, most people don't have the skill and will never be able to get it cleared(at least for a while)
Those peolpe are the ones trolling others for using "easy mode" setups. Sorry, we are not using "easy mode" setups, we are using the most efficient classes we have available and it's not our fault that almost our whole endgame members got 3-4 battle classes at 50. If you are not able to get it down with other setups, then figure something out, the people who are able to figure out stuff can't babysit everyone.

[AeraLucis]

Thank you Doctor Mog! At the very least, I appreciate it.

[Deceptistar]

change to this, last one is a bit weird...:
シャウト失礼します!ダンジョンのクエクリア必要あらば、「スーパーメガデラックス・ダンジョン・フルクリア・サービス」を７百万ギルで売ります！各希望装備百万ギル。興味ある方テルお願いします（＊’－’）

Excuse for shout! Selling "Super Mega.....Service" 7m for dungeon quest clear. 1M per item lot. PM if interested.

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That's different from complaining about someone's class set-up.... how? You're defending someone for something, while condemning another for, apparently, the same act. Tsk.

You responded to my comment first sir, and only part of it at that, I'd suggest taking your own advice.

Now, I understand you said earlier that you were JP, and I'm not saying this to be rude, but you clearly do not understand what I'm telling you. So at that, I bid this conversation adieu.

I rest my case for you... your picking things apart so much that you dont even know what your talking about anymore much less what the other person is...and your wondering why >_>; add to that, nowhere in my post did i state the setup was bad or anything, and to top it off your blaming your own assumptions and confusions on other pples race >.>;
good god...

[Belial]

change to this, last one is a bit weird...:
シャウト失礼します!ダンジョンのクエクリア必要あらば、「スーパーメガデラックス・ダンジョン・フルクリア・サービス」を７百万ギルで売ります！各希望装備百万ギル。興味ある方テルお願いします（＊’－’）

Excuse for shout! Selling "Super Mega.....Service" 7m for dungeon quest clear. 1M per item lot. PM if interested.

I rest my case for you... your picking things apart so much that you dont even know what your talking about anymore much less what the other person is...and your wondering why >_>; add to that, nowhere in my post did i state the setup was bad or anything, and to top it off your blaming your own assumptions and confusions on other pples race >.>;
good god...

I didn't say you said anything about class set-up, I said you were defending someone who did.
But thank you for proving my point.