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  1. #211
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    Razzle's Avatar
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    Razu Erisu
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    Omega
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    Conjurer Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Mamba View Post
    I dunno, I find this weird.
    Is the rest of your DPS really bad?
    In my experience you dont need 30 Holys to kill a group of mobs...
    You don't need 30, but you do need more than 2-3. And that's *per group* adding up
    (1)

  2. #212
    Player JayCommon's Avatar
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    Indaki Sativa
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    Gilgamesh
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    Dark Knight Lv 60
    You're never gonna get it, never gonna get it.

    Neeever gonna get it, never gonna get it.

    Neeeeeeever gonna get it, oh oh oh ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!










    aw snap you meant in game?!
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  3. #213
    Player Kayo's Avatar
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    Kayo Vedo
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    Adamantoise
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    Archer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by reality_check View Post
    WHY ARE YOU PLAYING A BARD IF YOU'RE NOT GOING TO SING?!
    Just because you CAN sing, doesnt mean you SHOULD sing ....

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  4. #214
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    Razzle's Avatar
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    Razu Erisu
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    Omega
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    If Bards don't sing it doesnt mean the WHM will spam Holy until he runs to zero MP, it means he can spam less Holy than he would be able to with Ballad.

    Anyway some parties care for holy spams and some dont. Don't see what's the big deal see how your groups want to play and adapt to it... If its a PF claiming SR then its a diff story and you can expect the Bard to do everything in his power to speed things up just like the rest of the party and even if it means to sing songs.
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  5. #215
    Player RyuDragnier's Avatar
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    Hayk Farsight
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    Exodus
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    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Merylx View Post
    It's their job to sing songs. As someone earlier said, it's like a healer not using medica in a massive AoE spike damage situation, or a tank not using combos to keep hate. Monitoring a situation as a bard is vital. If, for example, the healers are continuously having to raise people, then it's going to absolutely destroy their MP pool(it shouldn't be happening, but it does). A good bard will watching closely and use ballad..
    At the same time, depending on which fight it is, a healer needs to know when to not revive. I was healing Titan HM as a SCH, and 2 DPS kept dying over and over again during the final phase (a DRG and a BLM), so I just stopped reviving them, they weren't surviving even with Galvanize, Sacred Soil, and Stoneskin on them (they couldn't dodge WotL properly), so there was no point.
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  6. #216
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    Cspr_Answrth's Avatar
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    Caspar Ainsworth
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    Sargatanas
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    Archer Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Merylx View Post
    It's their job to sing songs. As someone earlier said, it's like a healer not using medica in a massive AoE spike damage situation, or a tank not using combos to keep hate. Monitoring a situation as a bard is vital. If, for example, the healers are continuously having to raise people, then it's going to absolutely destroy their MP pool(it shouldn't be happening, but it does). A good bard will watching closely and use ballad..

    Sooo, basically what you're saying is - When other people fail to do their jobs correctly (i.e., dying and requiring a raise), Bards have to go out of their way to correct their mistakes.
    Got it.
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  7. #217
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    Odsarzol Que
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    Balmung
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    Arcanist Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by Cspr_Answrth View Post
    Sooo, basically what you're saying is - When other people fail to do their jobs correctly (i.e., dying and requiring a raise), Bards have to go out of their way to correct their mistakes.
    Got it.
    It's really not that hard to use your support abilities.
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  8. #218
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    LalaRu's Avatar
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    Mi An
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    Phantom
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    Paladin Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    a healer needs to know when to not revive.
    Sorry to correct you, but I think it is more appropriate to say that people needs to know when accept ress. Healer will ress when have the time to do it, and it may happen that is also not the right moment to instantly accept it.
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  9. #219
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    Velhart Aurion
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    Hyperion
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    Machinist Lv 80
    Some people don't appreciate it when I try to sing.

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  10. #220
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    Lemuria Glitterhands
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    Ragnarok
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    Conjurer Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Tupsi View Post
    It's really not that hard to use your support abilities.
    Hard no, but it does come at a cost. Bard loses 20% damage while using Ballad or Paeon, so that's ultimately costing the party. For prolonged fights, sure, but lets be honest, most basic content is pretty faceroll easy now, and doesn't require bards to sing ballad.

    Foe Requiem, on the other hand, is always worth casting when you have a caster. It's just common sense to increase the damage output overall.
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