Is the concept of a FC already dead?

[Mostfowl]

Why is it you come on these forums or some other game site forums and so many ppl complain about not having a fc or a raid group but then its impossible to get these ppl in a fc or a raid group? There are tons of ppl running around our server (sargatanas) with no fc and who simply don't want/need to join one.

We have a fc that is recruiting, and we tried to set up a raid group twice and no one bites or they join for a day then drop. Most responses to recruitment we get from ppl are just those who want to absorb our fc into theirs, which isn't going to happen as we like our fc and its few members.

We don't have a house yet which is the biggest detriment to our fc as no one really wants to join a homeless fc but with prices as absurd as they are and only a couple ppl working on getting the gil its such a slow crawl that will break more fcs than help. It's a catch 22.

So are all servers like this?

We want to have fun and enjoy all the content the game has to offer but its so hard to get things going and sitting in pf for hours trying to put a coil/ex group together (you know since half the pt drops after 1 wipe) just makes it hard to complete a lot of the content.

Not to mention you can gear yourself the same ilvl-wise by simply doing dailies and st on your own time, so why bother tackling content before it gets echo nerfed.

I don't mean to beat a dead horse here but we never had issues like this in other games. We don't expect overnight success of course but there is a least one big, glaring issue working against burgeoning fcs...housing.

So with pf, df and large established fc's taking up the ppl in need of a fc and simply making it easy to get by without one, is the concept of a FC already becoming something dead?

Not upset or anything of the sort, just confused as to the direction things are going...

[HakuroDK]

I blame Log Horizon.

But seriously, there are a handful of folks who believe that, and that's fine. But for the most part, FCs are usually very handy to be a part of, so long as your interests and the interests of the FC in question are aligned.

[MilesSaintboroguh]

People tend to want to find either a large FC or one that is at least active. Nothing disinterests people more than a FC that does nothing or one that has certain people hogging the controls for FC benefits.

[Bucy]

FCs are what we have. I love my FC, but it is not easy building raid groups. Not 1 of our raid groups is full FC members. Mine is 7/8 FC members, and some of our members are still looking for raid groups.

Duty Finder and Party Finder are helpful mechanisms, but only encourage pugging. Static raid groups are the best way to address challenging content, and we all should like and want challenging content.

I'd like to see 3 things happen to help FCs.:
1. An in-game ability to merge FCs. A merge petitioning system, with a majority vote. This would make it seemless and not require every1 be online at the same time.

2. Also an ability to sell a house. It is ridiculous that we can't sell a house. The investment is too great to lose, and IRL people sell homes.

3. An in-game raid group former. This would help FCs merge and grow, and take some pressure off FC officers. THE RGFormer would match people by their primary & secondary jobs, availability, & languages.

[Kiara1]

2. Also an ability to sell a house. It is ridiculous that we can't sell a house. The investment is too great to lose, and IRL people sell homes.

This so much!
I created my own fc for the house, so me and my friend got us to rank 8 andI bought the house for my own money only. Now I got 2 new members recently and I've been lucky with drops so I got a lil rich. So was planning on getting a medium house. On my server it vosts about 12 mil gil, which isnt that much, but if I could sell my current house I'd get the new house faster.

[Docj]

This so much!
I created my own fc for the house, so me and my friend got us to rank 8 andI bought the house for my own money only. Now I got 2 new members recently and I've been lucky with drops so I got a lil rich. So was planning on getting a medium house. On my server it vosts about 12 mil gil, which isnt that much, but if I could sell my current house I'd get the new house faster.

You actually can sell the house itself. You get back the building permit you purchased to place your house upon relinquishing the plot. That permit can be sold on market. I have a small house on market for 350k. You should be able to sell back the land too.. however you lose that gil forever.

This. They could have just expanded the Linkshell system.

I see no advantages to FCs that couldn't have been included in the linkshell system.

Just because you can't see them doesn't mean advantages don't exist.

[Aegis]

Just because you can't see them doesn't mean advantages don't exist.

By all means, enlighten me.

[Rhas]

This so much!
I created my own fc for the house, so me and my friend got us to rank 8 andI bought the house for my own money only. Now I got 2 new members recently and I've been lucky with drops so I got a lil rich. So was planning on getting a medium house. On my server it vosts about 12 mil gil, which isnt that much, but if I could sell my current house I'd get the new house faster.

Until you realize that then RMT buys up all the land because they have the money and jacks up the prices from whatever it is to 5x... 10x... 50x... the cost just because they can and you have no choice because they control the market... oh wait... are we going back to FFXI again?

[Marael]

Just on the whole raid group issue that the OP brought up, I have played MMOs for a long while. I've done plenty of endgame crap in plenty of games. I've had static groups, raiding guilds, and set times of the day/week where I needed to be online and doing stuff with those groups. And you know what... I kind of hate it. I don't like being held to a schedule in a video game that I am playing to relax. I don't want to join a static group to do things at the exact same time on the exact same day of the week every single week. I actually prefer tossing the dice with PUG/PF groups than committing myself to a static. I'm sick of my video gaming being more stressful and strenuous than my actual job, so I'm playing this game far more casually. No statics. No endgame BS drama. etc etc etc. And you know what... I'm having more fun with this MMO than in any of the others in which I did join raiding guilds/statics/whatever and did commit myself to being at certain places certain times etc etc etc. Life is so much better, so much easier, and so much more fun without all of the endgame BS drama, scheduling, commitments, and so on. So now I'm wondering why I ever bothered with them in the past.

This game plays like a single player RPG most of the time. I don't even know why they bothered putting it online, to be honest. If I can play it like a single player RPG, and enjoy doing it that way, I really have no reason whatsoever to join a big raiding FC or whatever. I'll stick with my small group of friends that occasionally do things together when there are enough of us on with nothing to do. No schedules. No drama. Just friends hanging out. You can keep all that crap for yourself, I don't need or want any part of it anymore. Maybe I'm getting old, but eh, I just don't find that sort of thing fun anymore.

[Cynthis]

I agree that the housing becomes a catch-22. You need quite a few players to raise the ridiculous amounts of gil but you can only get a lot of players if you have a house. SE really need to fix their servers and make it a lot easier to get FC housing.