Idea to stop resetting hunt mobs!

[Nestama]

Isn't resetting mobs that you or party didn't tag initially a reportable offence under harassment?

Sure I read a post where a GM supposably stated that.

ToS 3.2 Disruption.
So yes.

[Appleh4x]

ToS 3.2 Disruption.
So yes.

That's a very loose interpretation of the rules. People at the hunt could have been waiting for their party to show up when you pulled it early, so the same rule could be applied to you for pulling it and the resetter would be the one submitting a GM report about you for the same violation of ToS.

[Mcshiggs]

That's a very loose interpretation of the rules. People at the hunt could have been waiting for their party to show up when you pulled it early, so the same rule could be applied to you for pulling it and the resetter would be the one submitting a GM report about you for the same violation of ToS.

To disrupt something, it has to be something that is already happening, waiting means you aren't doing anything, so there is nothing to disrupt.

[Appleh4x]

To disrupt something, it has to be something that is already happening, waiting means you aren't doing anything, so there is nothing to disrupt.

Waiting is an action, you clearly are not a Taoist.

[Alistaire]

Yeah it's definitely against ToS; you're purposely doing something you know will mess with what other people are doing.

I don't know though, at first I was really against resetting, but have seen a few times where a mob accidentally gets pulled, and what then? You're stuck fighting it even though you didn't pull it on purpose? I can't stand people whining about "early pullers", though I'm never first to pull unless it's very clear nobody's coming, and overall the community seems to be handling these better now.

I think it's good that resetting is against ToS, because of the capability to troll if it wasn't; but making it so that you have no recourse in regards to accidental pulls, or the majority agreeing something should be reset, I don't think that should be taken away.

Overall I think everyone should just be pleased SE released content with such a high reward rate and deal with its minor flaws as is.

[Waeksyn]

Where is this view coming from that resetting is trolling? Resetting gives more time so that more people can get credit for the fight - that includes people in your group and those not in your group. After a reset, you re-tag and you're golden. There is NO benefit from being the first to tag the NM. Seems like the reset complainers just want to ensure that they are the only ones to get a reward. Talk about selfish.

[Alistaire]

Where is this view coming from that resetting is trolling? Resetting gives more time so that more people can get credit for the fight - that includes people in your group and those not in your group. After a reset, you re-tag and you're golden. There is NO benefit from being the first to tag the NM. Seems like the reset complainers just want to ensure that they are the only ones to get a reward. Talk about selfish.

From the ToS: "3.2 Disruption. You may not in any way disrupt or interfere with the Game experience of other players, including the disruption of Square Enix's computers and servers."

Even just making the mob take longer to kill would fall under that. How are you to know if a person needs to go in exactly 2 minutes to catch a bus, or whatever, and you resetting it means they have to go afk and miss out?

And especially with a B rank it's quite possible for enough people to show up after a reset (or several) that you don't get full credit that you would have.

[Waeksyn]

From the ToS: "3.2 Disruption. You may not in any way disrupt or interfere with the Game experience of other players..."

Even just making the mob take longer to kill would fall under that. How are you to know if a person needs to go in exactly 2 minutes to catch a bus, or whatever, and you resetting it means they have to go afk and miss out?

And especially with a B rank it's quite possible for enough people to show up after a reset (or several) that you don't get full credit that you would have.

Well, you go ahead and report someone for ToS violation for resetting a mob and lets get a GM opinion. Personally, I can think of many things more disrupting to the game experience than this that also would not be a violation.


You may not have done much hunting but it takes only a couple hits plus auto attack on a B mob to get full credit assuming your party is all present and doing their bit. If your party was in position to get full credit before, you'll get it after a reset as well.

The bottom line is IMO most people who complain about resetting have a "thing" about the big hunt LS groups and want them to fail. We even have someone on our Server who forms a "screw "the big hunt LS" group that purposefully pulls immediately on every hunt to deny the big hunt group. He even advertises his intent on PF. Now, if you want to talk about disruption, let's talk about that.

[Mcshiggs]

Where is this view coming from that resetting is trolling? Resetting gives more time so that more people can get credit for the fight - that includes people in your group and those not in your group. After a reset, you re-tag and you're golden. There is NO benefit from being the first to tag the NM. Seems like the reset complainers just want to ensure that they are the only ones to get a reward. Talk about selfish.

If you aren't in a full group, after the reset it can be really difficult to get full credit. I found an S rank the other day, told my FC, we had 5 people there, we shouted in the zone, and after about 15 more people showed up we pulled. The pull was about 5 or 6 minutes after I originally found it, the mob wasn't "hunting" for it, or they all would have been there sooner. As soon as we pull, a certain know douchebag for resetting immediately reset it, during the reset, he drug it over where most of the healers/casters were and got a lot of them one shotted. As soon as the first reset was done, most of the mob had shown up, and it was burned down pretty quick, fast enough where a lot of the casters/healers didn't have time to get raised, so all of them ended up getting no credit. Many people reported because of this, myself included. After a long chat with a GM, he told me that they have to have proof that person resetting is doing it on purpose, he said they use chat logs, and can look at battle/aggro logs, but if there isn't hard evidence then they tend to "lean towards innocence" for all players. I personally have reported this guy 3 times for it in under 2 weeks, and nothing has happened to him, in those times he has shouted to stop attacking until the reset occurs, or yelled "Please report me, I am resetting to troll you." So it's obvious the GM's have contacted him about it, but he is still playing and doing it, so even with their privacy policy to not reveal the results of their investigations, it's clear they are not taking actions against it. So basically according to that GM, it is against the ToS, but once again, they aren't doing anything about it.

[Appleh4x]

If you aren't in a full group, after the reset it can be really difficult to get full credit. I found an S rank the other day, told my FC, we had 5 people there, we shouted in the zone, and after about 15 more people showed up we pulled. ...

More like with 5 people you are not gonna get full credit unless all 5 are tanks with over 530 strength or white mages spamming medica 2, and either way all 5 of you would die from an S rank. You should have waited for more people so you didnt die in the first place, sounds like you got what you deserved.