A bit of a fear on future crafting involving rapid synthesis

[StouterTaru]

Wasn't specifically saying rapid at that point was actually talking more about careful synthesis since the overall waste of CP and need of steady hand for the PbP and RS but ingenuity reduction of level is more powerful the higher the level as the stat requirement for each tier compared to its actual difficulty in gains in progress but because ingenuity only effects skills that are stat based the gain is dependant upon gear and melds. So at a point where 4 or 5 PbP are used it would be better spent else where.

3 Star furniture, 1424 difficulty.
CS2 does around 71 under ingenuity II, so rapid would do around 150.
How can you do this in under 10 moves without PbP, even without 100% success rate?
SH > 5xPbP > IngII > 3xCSII

[Sakasa]

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I am sorry I was looking at i90 gear not furniture but sure i will take that. At the third PBP your gain is 141, then 94, then 62 + 71 x3 the gain drop. So Rapid synthesis under the effect of ingII takes just as many moves but you have to reapply Ing II and SH which artifically boosts up the attempt to 12 if you skipped the concern about success rate increase with SH2 that puts the total steps to 10 but in a real world situation you would be looking at 12 on your best day.


Rapid synthesis actually becomes better then PBP after the second so the most optimal is pbp x2 and rapid x4 if your going by non real world progress gain that also saves you 45 cp which will be used for a second steady hand so your overall gain is 25 saved cp.

But all this is a moot point because your whole attack forces me to defend rapid which as I said in my first post before I do not recommend rapid to anyone. My quip was we have not hit the vertical climb (Stats on gear) or a vertical target (Progress) where PBP will get worse again like it was prior to 2 star or the point where it will be required such as our gear is now but difficulty jumps up to 3500. Such a gap was seen from Cobalt haubergeon to Darksteel Haubergeon at launch before people got their hands on the crafter "af" sets, offhand, and quest tool but even then PBP was not used. We have just hit its usefulness, which is why I made the quip not because rapid is superior.

[StouterTaru]

PbP wasn't used back then because the minimum requirements to attempt the recipe and its ingredients left you with 3 CSII or 2 Standard Synthesis under Ingenuity II.

Best case with RS in any possible recipe is using 3 RS instead of 2 PbP and 3 CSII.
-Net gain: 20 progress, 48 CP
-Net loss: almost a 50% chance you fail, weaker BB due to no Innovation and 1 less shot at favorable condition

Other best case is 2 RS instead of 1 PbP and 3 CSII.
-Net gain: 20 progress, 33 CP
-Net loss: 36% chance of fail, weaker BB due to no Innovation

*If you want to fit BB and 2 RS under the same SHII and INGII, there's no room to also cram in GS and Innovation. Innovation is equal to 2½ more steps of Inner Quiet.