Because of Hunts~~

[Seibah]

The problem with hunts isn't that they drop easy to get i110 gear. 2.3 is a catch up patch, not a progression one, so an easy method of getting i110 should be available to players who aren't content wizards so they can try and progress in second coil and mog/levi/ramuh who weren't able to do it before. It also serves as a way for hardcore players to gear up their alts. Only people who have a problem with people easily getting i110 are 1)actual no joke elitists who feel it's some kind of sacred treasure and 2) people who don't understand how this game's patch progression works. Everyone doing hunts is fundamentally no different from everyone spamming wp/mythflox to the same end as it did...what. Heavily populated two endgame instances and little else? (this being a problem of it's own btw, but "people flocking to what levels them up the fastest with the least effort" is nothing new.)

The ACTUAL problem here is with players who go "well, i can get everything from hunts, so why do anything else?" which is just silly. I'm not really a fan of (many) of coil's hop skip jump memorization perfection only simon says mario party mechanics, but at the very least, it takes learning and effort and as such drops feel like a reward and something to be proud of, overcoming the biggest stacked against player BS SE could come up with to stop player progression. When you actually earn these things, it feels good. And it's not a bad idea at all to do some hunts to make yourself more prepared to deal with these difficult mechanics. When you let your game experience revolve around handout gear from hunts, which are about as big an accomplishment as being able to add two and two...

If you're actually going into hunts with the mindset of everything else is pointless, then why even play the game? You're earning gear to literally do nothing with if you feel the rest of the game is pointless, ****ing up hunts for people actually trying to use them to gear up, and just ruining the entire thing for everyone. That is the bigger problem here. The only reason hunts are a problem is because seemingly the playerbase is literally unable to moderate themselves and many don't actually have a desire to progress beyond handout gear.

[Dyvid]

Well the patch progress is backward ever since CT didn't make in time for launch. There was never suppose to be a "catch up" patch but a smooth climb in ilvl, 70>80>90>100>110.

I actually agree with you though on most points.

[Yukiko]

What I don't like is getting /blist from the server because I don't feel that 40 people should kill content that was original designed to be solo'ed (B Ranks).

I completly agree with you, but:

You have to consider when pulling a B rank Monster with just 4 players (or soloing) you choose the destiny for all other players who may hardly seeking for exact this one! They have to wait how long?
3h for B rank may not be much, but then we have A rank and S rank. That is the main source of frustration about the blacklisting and waiting in community...
Indeed the current hunting have many more issues SE have to address, but it is really annoying if the server does not wait, even when i fully agree with you and say it is designed for a small group or soloing...

One Solution i came up is to drastically increase spawn time, so the roads are dangerous and to make the hunts like a "Bingo-Book" where you hunt and get a mark if successfully killed... SE have to realize that it will not fix itself with time, even after higher ilvl in 2.4+

[Karnyboy]

"Because Of Hunts"

I will not try to play the game content that you made
I will not let myself
Farm atmas for days or weeks
I will not stray to think alone,
We farm so hard
I've learned that hunting
Is the only way to play the game

Because of Hunts
I never stray too far from the sheep herd
Because of Hunts
I learned to close my mind and not think alone
Because of Hunts
I find it hard to gear not only me, but all my friends around me
Because of Hunts
The game is dead

When I log in
It's not too long before someone points it out
I missed an S rank mob
Or I have to run dungeons for the 100th time
I'm forced to play
One way, my brain can't think on its own
My my mind can't possibly change
When missing a day means others getting far

Because of Hunts
I assume that Duty Finder queues are all down
Because of Hunts
I also feel that queues are down for coil too
Because of Hunts
I find I have to force not only me, but all my FC around me
Because of Hunts
To play the game

I watched you tube
They said this is the only way to play the game
I was so dumb
I should have just learned the content all on my own
I never thought of anyone else
I just saw blue loot
That trivializes content made before it
But I can't open my eyes

Because of Hunts
I'll never play the game my own way
Because of Hunts
I learned that pixels matter and the world firsts
Because of Hunts
I try my hardest just to stay competitive
Because of Hunts
I don't know how to play any other way
Because of Hunts
I'm saying the sky is falling
Because of Hunts
I am a sheep

Because of Hunts
Because of Hunts

[LegionFX]

"Because Of Hunts"

I will not try to play the game content that you made
I will not let myself
Farm atmas for days or weeks
I will not stray to think alone,
We farm so hard
I've learned that hunting
Is the only way to play the game

Because of Hunts
I never stray too far from the sheep herd
Because of Hunts
I learned to close my mind and not think alone
Because of Hunts
I find it hard to gear not only me, but all my friends around me
Because of Hunts
The game is dead

When I log in
It's not too long before someone points it out
I missed an S rank mob
Or I have to run dungeons for the 100th time
I'm forced to play
One way, my brain can't think on its own
My my mind can't possibly change
When missing a day means others getting far


Because of Hunts
Because of Hunts
..........

Best comment ever!!! xD

[Dyvid]

I completly agree with you, but:

You have to consider when pulling a B rank Monster with just 4 players (or soloing) you choose the destiny for all other players who may hardly seeking for exact this one! They have to wait how long?
3h for B rank may not be much, but then we have A rank and S rank. That is the main source of frustration about the blacklisting and waiting in community...
Indeed the current hunting have many more issues SE have to address, but it is really annoying if the server does not wait, even when i fully agree with you and say it is designed for a small group or soloing...

But isn't that the point of Hunting? You find the NM, kill it, and get the reward? What the community wants is FATEs without actually saying the word. You have people using 3rd party hacks to show spawns on map and suggestion for HP% based the group size that beat it last.

[Yukiko]

But isn't that the point of Hunting? You find the NM, kill it, and get the reward? What the community wants is FATEs without actually saying the word. You have people using 3rd party hacks to show spawns on map and suggestion for HP% based the group size that beat it last.

Yes, but you can not do it with current gamedesign, waiting a week 24/7 for a 3h respawn monster is just bad gamedesign!
Not that you dont see it, but to do enough damage you need to have it respawn direct next to you... or you will be too late because of the behavior to not wait for others.

[Deviant1]

You know the funniest thing, I was bored and started looking up some of the most vocal 'anti-hunt' players in this thread, and most only have 1 or 2 lvl 50's. Most without all their subjob skills, and ect. No titan ex wins, or t5 wins...

The issue is not that the hunts are bad. Sure it makes the rewards are easier for people to get. However if you look at the common talking points, its because those who are passed the content don't want to go back and help them. PF/DF is dead and the like.


Say SE removed the hunts, do you really think that those who liked them will really go back and help you with titan ex or t5?

Are you blind to the fact that before this last patch, most PF parties were ilvl90+ and experienced only?

You do know that now with the bonus myth for 'new player in dungeon' we will know when one of you is lying about clearing it?

How about all the little crybabies take this in a different direction:
Instead of crying so SE nerfs the hunts, you ask them to put sands/oils/unidentified tombstones/and even some soldiery gear in the primals/t5? Have it drop to the players who cleared it x00 times already so those who are new to the content don't get it, something.


IE Instead of trying to punish those who don't want to play with you, bribe them!
Seriously, if it wasn't the hunts, it would be something else and either way, we wouldn't be doing the crap that is gate keeping you.