Because of Hunts~~

[Deviant1]

If the old, pointless content which offers little in terms of enjoyment and reward were really so popular, they would still be done.

This argument isn't based on reality.

The old content could be the most fun thing on the face of the Earth and it would still be ignored. People aren't doing hunts because they're "fun", they're doing them because they give, by far, the best rewards.

Doesn't matter why they don't want to do the old content, they just don't want it. They are choosing to do the hunts because they prefer the hunts over the other crap.

Rewards includes: Fun, gear, gil and is based on efficiency (x per hour).
Hunts give the best Myth, soldiery, seals for alexandrite & upgrades for 100 to 110 and is far more entertaining then wiping due to some idiot in a dungeon.

Not even to mention I can get into a hunt pt within 10 minutes of logging in, why on earth would I want to wait in DF for 30 minutes for something that offers less?

Crying to SE saying the content more players prefer is ruining the game because they don't want to play with you is childish.

[Dyvid]

Doesn't matter why they don't want to do the old content, they just don't want it. They are choosing to do the hunts because they prefer the hunts over the other crap.

Rewards includes: Fun, gear, gil and is based on efficiency (x per hour).
Hunts give the best Myth, soldiery, seals for alexandrite & upgrades for 100 to 110 and is far more entertaining then wiping due to some idiot in a dungeon.

Not even to mention I can get into a hunt pt within 10 minutes of logging in, why on earth would I want to wait in DF for 30 minutes for something that offers less?

Crying to SE saying the content more players prefer is ruining the game because they don't want to play with you is childish.

Not even sure how to respond to this. It's painfully clear you don't care about balance but do a wonderful job showing the community the exact nature of the imbalance complaint. The things you list are the key complaints with Hunt system and why everyone has abandoned all other content for it. People will always prefer easy over difficult.

[Cyrus-Wallace]

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Thanks, I was struggling myself thinking how to respond to that bs.

The system is way broken. The reason why they put lockouts, which was explained to Yoshida himself, is to prevent the high level gear to lose their value. That's why Coil has lockouts since the first Coil. That's why Labyrinth and Syrcus have lockouts. That's why you're locked with 450 sold tokens each week. Even if it's a "catch up patch", as some people usually say, they're literally giving people 3 months (if it's not more) of free loot on an item that is locked on some of the current content. They didn't even include the sands of times in Syrcus because of that! The system itself could work, if they add a lockout to the amount of seals you can get or a lockout on the sand/oil acquisition.

[LydallMomoda]

The system itself could work, if they add a lockout to the amount of seals you can get or a lockout on the sand/oil acquisition.

Totally agree this, but it is too late to fix it now, damages have been done, nowadays you can see people have full upgraded soldiery weapons and gears everywhere but most of them still can't pass the T6 or even the Twintania with 50% echo buff!!!

[Taruranto]

Thanks, I was struggling myself thinking how to respond to that bs.

The system is way broken. The reason why they put lockouts, which was explained to Yoshida himself, is to prevent the high level gear to lose their value. That's why Coil has lockouts since the first Coil. That's why Labyrinth and Syrcus have lockouts. That's why you're locked with 450 sold tokens each week. Even if it's a "catch up patch", as some people usually say, they're literally giving people 3 months (if it's not more) of free loot on an item that is locked on some of the current content. They didn't even include the sands of times in Syrcus because of that! The system itself could work, if they add a lockout to the amount of seals you can get or a lockout on the sand/oil acquisition.

Yeah, add lockouts to hunt. Lockouts are so much fuuun. I love when I log and I can't do nothing because of lockouts!

Pls Yoshida-San, but lockout behind logging to!

[Deviant1]

It's painfully clear you don't care about balance but do a wonderful job showing the community the exact nature of the imbalance complaint.

what do you care if it get's balanced?

Balance, lmao seriously? is this even a real argument? Do you even know what balanced would look like?
Let's cut the BS. This isn't about balance at all but more about 'I got my shiny in a dungeon, and they got it in hunts'. they should have done it the slow way like I did blah

If you really want 'balance' lets limit the amount of hours a week people can play. Lets make everyone the same job with the same gear, remove any and all curency from the game and make it so every single char is exactly the same.
That is what balanced means, IE when everything is equal. The truth is we dont live in a balanced world. Here in this game those with more playtime progress further, and then they make those PF with the 'Experienced only' or 2 strikes and kick crap

Hunts put everything in balance. Players with an hour or five can play and get rewards in a reasonable pace.

The reason why they put lockouts, which was explained to Yoshida himself, is to prevent the high level gear to lose their value.

Gonna have to call BS on this, only reason they wanted to limit the gear is to keep us paying longer. it is a competitive nature which makes us all 'chase the carrot'.
I also dont care what Yoshi has to say. he is not a god or my master. He can want whatever he wants, but its my money per month and I want what keeps me happy.

if they add a lockout to the amount of seals you can get or a lockout on the sand/oil acquisition.

A lot of people would be pissed, think about it for a second. If the majority of the playerbase wants hunts as they are, and you dont: Your in the minority, and on earth its majority rule.
Those who like the hunts are not telling you not to enjoy you df/pf/trial/dungeon... but you are telling them that the hunts are broken...

If SE did 'adjust' the hunts, then people would not magically flock back to you, beg for forgiveness for leaving you in queue... lol
we would simply find another mmo to keep us entertained. (And by the way, you would still have horrible queue times in game with 500 dps for every tank)

[Edli]

Those who like the hunts are not telling you not to enjoy you df/pf/trial/dungeon.

I was in a hunting party a few hours ago and while random chatting everyone in the party agreed that the process itself is boring as hell. Only because you see people doing something doesn't mean they like it. Just ask whoever did atma, BF speedruns, fate leveling in the past. Apparently the power of the carrot on the stick is too powerful sometimes.

You keep showing your utmost disgust for dungeons over and over again. These rewards you're getting from hunts, what do you think they are for if not for dungeons? They sure as hell are not for hunts themselves considering you can zerg them even naked with a pickaxe on your hand.

[Deviant1]

You keep showing your utmost disgust for dungeons over and over again. These rewards you're getting from hunts, what do you think they are for if not for dungeons?

Your right, I hate these lame dungeons. Oh, and please tell me what dungeon I need to be 110 on? The highest dungeon is i70... You know the gear that was available at launch...

As for the gear, you know there are Trials, raids, and new dungeons when released. Most players already beat all the current dungeons, several times over. Until the dungeons have same ilevel as coil/seal bought, they will continue to be pointless other then farming seals.

[Magis]

Balance, lmao seriously? is this even a real argument? Do you even know what balanced would look like?
Let's cut the BS. This isn't about balance at all but more about 'I got my shiny in a dungeon, and they got it in hunts'. they should have done it the slow way like I did blah
If you really want 'balance' lets limit the amount of hours a week people can play. Lets make everyone the same job with the same gear, remove any and all curency from the game and make it so every single char is exactly the same.
That is what balanced means, IE when everything is equal. The truth is we dont live in a balanced world. Here in this game those with more playtime progress further, and then they make those PF with the 'Experienced only' or 2 strikes and kick crap

Hunts put everything in balance. Players with an hour or five can play and get rewards in a reasonable pace.

Uh... wut? What "shinys" are in the duty roulette dungeons? Ramuh (the patch this damn thing was built around) isn't even BIS and it's literally a dead instance on arrival. Coil is still BIS except for a few items, and hey I am using hunts to get those as oppose to T7/T8. I am not effected by the coil issue due to having a full static. However I see that OTHER PEOPLE are having issues... with PF and DR. You call me selfish? I am pointing out that this break content that I DON'T EVEN DO and would like it balanced for those other players. Yes, "BALANCED", cause 90% of players going to one piece of content is hell not balanced. Meanwhile all I see is "OMG PLZ DON'T NERF MY ONE CONTENT, SCREW YOU ALL FOR WANTING TO PLAY SOMETHING ELSE".

Gonna have to call BS on this, only reason they wanted to limit the gear is to keep us paying longer. it is a competitive nature which makes us all 'chase the carrot'.
I also dont care what Yoshi has to say. he is not a god or my master. He can want whatever he wants, but its my money per month and I want what keeps me happy.

Speaking of selfish, MY, ME, WHAT MAKES MEEEE HAPPY. Yoshi can do w.e he wants, he's the producer and can shut the whole thing down if he wants. However it's a delicate nature and the devs will have to plan on what to (or not to) do. Oh yeah, no one cares that you pay money per month, we all do. You know what that get's you? The privilege to log into their servers, that's it.

A lot of people would be pissed, think about it for a second. If the majority of the playerbase wants hunts as they are, and you dont: Your in the minority, and on earth its majority rule.
Those who like the hunts are not telling you not to enjoy you df/pf/trial/dungeon... but you are telling them that the hunts are broken...

If SE did 'adjust' the hunts, then people would not magically flock back to you, beg for forgiveness for leaving you in queue... lol
we would simply find another mmo to keep us entertained. (And by the way, you would still have horrible queue times in game with 500 dps for every tank)

Jesus, that's a lot of victimization here. Who's asking for you to beg for forgiveness? The game was running no problem before hunts, changing it won't do shit.

Think my brain broke reading this post.

[Deviant1]

Yes, "BALANCED", cause 90% of players going to one piece of content is hell not balanced. Meanwhile all I see is "OMG PLZ DON'T NERF MY ONE CONTENT, SCREW YOU ALL FOR WANTING TO PLAY SOMETHING ELSE".

Well if 90% want it that way, why should the majority have to be nerfed?
All I hear from the other side is "wahhhh!!! no one wants to play with me in the 6month old content... wahhh!"

Speaking of selfish, MY, ME, WHAT MAKES MEEEE HAPPY. Yoshi can do w.e he wants, he's the producer and can shut the whole thing down if he wants.

People give him far more power then he actually has. Remember Tanaka? He thought he could do whatever he wanted to... and he got canned.
Well as you said yourself, 90% are doing the hunts, so its not just me.

Jesus, that's a lot of victimization here. Who's asking for you to beg for forgiveness? The game was running no problem before hunts, changing it won't do shit.

You mean the game where people logged in one day a week and then waited until reset?
Game has had issues since the release, and most people do not like the lockouts.