When Spawn Killing Gets Out of Control

[Riepah]

I camped the Flames spawn with my alliance C once, because they were just so damn bad for some reason. We (Maelstrom) controlled half the map and were ahead in points, so it seemed like a good idea to keep the Flames contained, rather than letting them run around and steal undefended flags.
I have no idea how it happened that they were so weak, though, this only happened in a single Frontline game of mine.

[jlewiss]

Of course it's an issue... It stopped 24 people from the Maelstrom having any kind of a good game and probably left a lot of them feeling peeved. Griefing on a mass scale.

lol are you really going to comment on people getting annoyed in pvp? any game since the history of games where one person wins and one person loses someone is going to end up peeved. also if you work on the assumption that your gc as well as there gc has at best 24 people you just get the whole alliance together and push through them. if you guys still couldn't win then they wer ejust simply better then you and you have to deal with it and move on.

[Cuervo78]

Not sure, but couldn't your team gather in the homebase and then break the siege?

[SeleneVenizelos]

lol are you really going to comment on people getting annoyed in pvp? any game since the history of games where one person wins and one person loses someone is going to end up peeved. also if you work on the assumption that your gc as well as there gc has at best 24 people you just get the whole alliance together and push through them. if you guys still couldn't win then they wer ejust simply better then you and you have to deal with it and move on.

There is an enormous difference between general irritation at PvP mechanics and being annoyed at an entire alliance of 24 people going out of their way to grief you. I expect to get a little riled doing PvP but this is in a whole different category. That you would attempt to compare the two perplexes me.

And whether we died or not had nothing to do with skill. The alliance were dispersed at their various posts around the map. For the first five minutes it was people returning, not aware of what was going on and emerging from spawn to be annihilated. In my OP it states that after awhile we managed to organise ourselves and attack as an alliance to wipe the Flames out, which was no easy task and it's commendable that we managed to rally to attempt it, let alone succeed. Until that time, it was a massacre for anyone who walked outside. What the Flames were doing was nothing to do with skill or being better than us.

Not sure, but couldn't your team gather in the homebase and then break the siege?

Perhaps you should read the OP before replying?

[Cuervo78]

well, I read it and it sounded as if they left the starting point in small groups, sorry if i misunderstood that part.

Never tried it, but I thought entering a spawn zone from the outside was not possible. So what hinders the people to wait there for a time and get out as a group? Then it is one alliance against the other

[SeleneVenizelos]

well, I read it and it sounded as if they left the starting point in small groups, sorry if i misunderstood that part.

Never tried it, but I thought entering a spawn zone from the outside was not possible. So what hinders the people to wait there for a time and get out as a group? Then it is one alliance against the other

It took a few minutes for people to realise that we had every Immortal Flame right outside the doorstep. You occasionally get people near the spawn so people just assumed it was a small bunch and rushed out to help people fighting, not realising that it was actually the entire Flames contingent waiting to butcher people. It was a few minutes before anyone said it in Alliance chat and it took a few more minutes to get people to realise that going outside was suicide. Not to mention, there were several of the Maelstrom scattered around the map at various flags who didn't return to spawn to join the break out until they had died. This took a long time for some of them.

It's very easy to say, "Why didn't you just break out and kill them?" but come on, be realistic. This is Frontlines we're talking about. People rarely listen to instructions and no matter how many times people were saying "Don't go outside, you'll die!", people kept going outside. The co-ordination required that you are hinting at is massive and something that is usually beyond any pick up party. That we managed to break out at all is nothing short of miraculous.

[Namasu]

I don't see it as an issue unless it become a consistent meta and you see it every other game. You ever had those games where two other GC gang up on your GC and it became a 24 vs 48 throughout the entire match? Yea it's kinda like that. The smarter GC will stay capped at 3~4 flags for 1st while the accomplice get 2nd, and your gc get pounded to 3rd place while your alliance get massacred at your outpost without even spawn camping.

I don't think spawn camping should be taken out altogether. A slight nerf would be ok but it's a good way to keep in check the enemy and push your team to 2nd or 1st place. It's a high risk/high reward thing. If you fail at it, you wipe, and the enemy push you back to your own outpost and you'll probably end up with 1 or 2 cap at best.

Also, like you said, people wised up and waited at the base until there is enough to push the spawn camper out. That right there is all you need to do the next time. Call out in alliance chat EARLY and let people know what to do. Frontline is still new and there is a lot of pvp newbies in this game that can get unraveled by the slightest trick you play on them. Just stay calm and talk it out with people in other alliance and things will be fine.

[Skeet]

I camped the Flames spawn with my alliance C once, because they were just so damn bad for some reason. We (Maelstrom) controlled half the map and were ahead in points, so it seemed like a good idea to keep the Flames contained, rather than letting them run around and steal undefended flags.
I have no idea how it happened that they were so weak, though, this only happened in a single Frontline game of mine.

I can probably answer this. As a Flame, about half of the time I enter, we are always missing somewhere between 4-12 members. By the time these unfortunate slots get filled with people who want to have fun, everything's already in utter chaos since we can't even do basic strategy. By the time every slot is re-filled, we are already down by a 200-600 point lead, no one in the right spots, and arguments / f-bombs being thrown back and forth at other Flames members.

[SeleneVenizelos]

That's just a Frontlines issue in general. It's not specific to any company.

[Namasu]

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When you know that your team is behind by that much for whatever reason and probably can't even take 2nd place, just try to rally your own party together and team fight somewhere reasonable. People tend to be satisfied with having people back them up over being scattered ontop of ranking 3rd.