In regard to the Scholars

[Gor]

I want to see a focus-fired scholar die in less than what feels like 3 business days.

I have tons of videos of SCHs dying in seconds that weren't from an LB. Even I have been downed in seconds when focus-fired, but the reality is, most enemy teams don't. It has nothing do with the SCH as a class and more to do with being properly focus-fired. Its not SE's fault pugs can't get theirselves together to manage to accomplish that. no amount of nerfing will stop a healer from healing if they aren't focus-fired and just allowed to free ball it.

[Koltik]

I want to see a focus-fired scholar die in less than what feels like 3 business days.

Here you go:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgzZWVV0g9M&list=UUxkkvHHUmtmOfkNnVtK1xqA#t=109

https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...R-ezYCSzXo#t=3

[Gor]

people that are attacking you should actually put some sort of dent in you.

They do, I recover from it.

When you focus fire a lone scholar, and they don't even come close to dying, that's not okay.....hell, NO class should be able to do that.

now you are exaggerating just to prove your point. was another healer around? was the healer being covered and testudo'd? are you SURE all your dps was on the SCH and also had a tank or another dps interrupting the casts of hte other healers around?

Please don't get me wrong here, I don't want to see healers die instantly.

no, that is exactly what you're requesting because we die in seconds if we are focus fired its just that most pugs don't do it. you're asking SE to nerf a class that is the essential part of any group AND as such we are the first targets all the time, everytime. if we are dead, so are you and your entire team. its not like the enemy healers have super powers and have an "S" on their chests that the healers on your team do not. i'm guessing you don't play mmos with pvp in them that much because i don't know any game with pvp that healers go down easy, in fact, i find the healing classes in FFXIV are much weaker for the simple fact its pretty much almost a 100% chance that if you're hit, you're interrupted, so what i, and probably what other healers do as well, is just juke ("faking" a cast to make the other player cast) so while my attacker is just standing there staring at me because he's sitting in a global cool down, i am free to get 1 or 2 heals off. its nothing op but knowing how the mechanics in the game work and playing around it and using your knowledge against their knowledge to out-smart them.

[monkeytheman]

Look, I get that you want to defend your class/job, but thinking you are perfectly fine? That's absurd. Yes I exaggerated....pretty sure if you read my post most of the exaggeration would be fairly obvious. Wasn't trying to hide the exaggerated parts lol. I'll say it again, I DO NOT WANT TO SEE SCHOLAR NERFED TO THE POINT OF DYING INSTANTLY. I would like to see them die when focused fired by less than.....5-6 people....when the scholar is alone. I get this happens more when people are bad...and there are plenty of bad players and I'm not great myself. But I can see problems when there are problems. A player should survive a focus fire, when alone, due to outplaying the opponents (assuming both parties are of equal skill). Not really an outplay when people are bad. If you are going to pick apart this message as well and try and argue that the players aren't of equal skill because they got outplayed....you don't understand what outplaying someone is. You also probably think I'm here to troll or anger you or other scholars....I'm not. I'm also done with this topic. I put my opinion out there and suggested a change that isn't overly ridiculous. Because I'm sure this comment will be replied to (most likely by you) I just want you to understand before I close out my end of our conversation that I do not want your class/job to feel useless, I want to see better balance. That's all. I would also like to point out that people wont take you seriously when you end most of your posts with "get guud".....just saying. (And yes, you DID say "get guud" spelled like that a few times.)

[Gor]

I would also like to point out that people wont take you seriously when you end most of your posts with "get guud"

I am a cat person running around in an imaginary land full of demons, dragons, 2 feet high people and flying cabbages. I don't care if people take me seriously or not.

p.s. get guud

[Zyphione]

All this is temporary until morale sets in, but if people truly feel healers are too difficult then other options are to not make Medica 2 stack in PvP, or give a healing debuff to Dragoons and Monks. Nerfing healers isn't going to solve many problems, which are entirely player problems.

You know it's a player problem when sometimes 1 decent scholar can kite 1 group of 4 people and sometimes he just dies outrightly to a different group of 4 people. Either of the 2 options above (or even both) should be enough considering how practically only Marauders are able to keep the debuff up. This is excluding how Marauders have the best toolkit to handle healers and flag based games.

It doesn't seem to hold much water when you have problems at the flag itself since I doubt very many things can plow through 2 regens and 2 MedII's, along with a stray Whispering Dawn.

[Koltik]

Not really an outplay when people are bad.

I don't understand. If someone is worse than you are, then they played worse, and thus got outplayed. ??

[Tinsley]

You know what i find funny.. people think that because they want to kill another player (Scholar) they think they have the right to kill said player(scholar).

I am not a NPC. I will not die every time I am attacked. But i can be killed. I will not die in 2 hits. but i can be killed. YOU don't have the right to kill me every time you attack me. But i can be killed. I will do everything i can to survive and if you don't like it, take your ball, go home and cry into your pillow.

BTW, If i attack you, i fully expect you to put up a fight and try to best me. hence the entire idea of pvp.

[Sygmaelle]

I'll make it short : tunnel visionned dpsers that go one on one on a healer who got all its survival cds up actually just don't unterstand how to pvp to begin with.

One person shouldn't be able to solo a healer and thats it. Now on the scholar topic I feel like these last days people actually understand how to play white mage and it show. Scholars begin to be really focused as they should be, with a clever use of crowd controls and whm / summoners / bards constantly usin knockbacks so the scholar cant be in the range to either heal or dps, its happenin a lot to me lately at least and I find it pretty FUN to actually have to outsmart my opponents and counter with a swiftcast blizzard 2 / lurin people so I can use aura blast properly and stuff, but yeah, with 3 persons on me that know what they are doin I usually die in like 5 seconds without healin at all.

On the eos case its a single target embrace every 3 secs + whisperin dawn and I don't think that its any kind of op.

Scholars don't need to be toned down, dpsers just need to play properly. Its just that, as a bad dpser its not easy to take down an average healer and again, nobody should be able to solo a heal or we would just be pinatas.

Thanks, but no thanks. Im not playin a healer to not be able to take a little beating while I'm healin my teamates, the last game that began to introduce this I just went the hell away from it


Perfect example of competent dpser vs non competent ones :


Non competent -> http://imgur.com/A187JvE / http://imgur.com/gllQq0O

Competent -> http://i.imgur.com/Uhsm6c6.jpg (Hinata dude, that did like 22 - 1 in the next match and that panda dude did good too)


Keep in mind that they are more dpsers than any other roles so you ll most likely find more players that just wont play it right, even more so in pvp and since a healer SHOULD be able to outheal one person all the time I don't see an issue. If you let me play with a pillar I can kite 4 dudes but meanwhile I'm not healin btw if I dont have surecast / swiftcast up so I kinda find that people love to exagerate in this thread

[Buff_Archer]

If I'm running Scholar and I've got a team of 8 focusing on me, they can usually kill me in a minute or two. Of course that raises the question- where's my backup? I usually join as Summoner, switch to Scholar if more healers are needed, but if I stick to the objective while the party members I'm trying to heal run out of range, don't attack the target I mark as the one doing the most interrupts on me, etc and I end up facing the other party alone- if that happens twice, the way I see it is- I queue'd in as a DPS, I can go back to being a DPS.

I often wonder if when it takes a full party a minute or two to kill me as Scholar if they feel a sense of accomplishment, or incredibly frustrated. I hope the latter. And I can only hope while I'm occupying 8 people the rest of my party is accomplishing something.