In regard to the Scholars

[Divinemight]

Fix on the PLD, by all mean it may not be something you like. In concept, PLD is not a damage job, but current mechanic where defensive value is not in play, it has to be one. This fix may just remove you from being a dap back to a tank.

[Vittorino]

Pfft

Definitely love this guy; bads will be bads 1% is becoming the .08%. Damn shame

[monkeytheman]

I have kited enemies across the map even without Eos. its nothing not even complicated and there is nothing op about that whatsoever and i don't even heal for that much.

Yup, totally not broken to kite that many people while not healing for much. You are SO right. /sarcasm
Every post I've read of your's Gor has just been you contradicting yourself. You claim Scholar isn't OP and then describe how you kite parties across the ENTIRE MAP (exaggeration I would hope) while in tank gear, or just using adloquium occasionally. Does Scholar need to be nerfed to the ground? No. Do they need to be toned down? Hell yes. To be honest, I don't know exactly what should be done....personally, I'd start with changing galvanize for PVP ONLY. Obviously we don't want to see any change ruin them in PVE, which despite how any super hardcore PVPer feels.....mmo's are pretty much built for PVE first. It is the majority of the player-base's focus after all. They already did a PVP only change with the stun durations, so it wouldn't be hard to implement any other things PVP specific.

[Gor]

Every post I've read of your's Gor has just been you contradicting yourself. You claim Scholar isn't OP and then describe how you kite parties across the ENTIRE MAP (exaggeration I would hope) while in tank gear, or just using adloquium occasionally. Does Scholar need to be nerfed to the ground? No. Do they need to be toned down? Hell yes.

I never said the ENTIRE map; YOU said that. Good job putting words in my mouth tho. Across the map as in from one flag to the other or from one flag to up top. And no I am not contradicting myself. There is nothing op about being able to kite enemies from one flag to the other. I've done it in WoW on a Disc Priest and I can do it here in FFXIV on a SCH. Its all about being diminishing returned out, being conservative about my spells, watching what my enemies are casting and the dots they put on me, knowing what dots I should cleanse and which ones to leave up, watching my cool downs and juking until I can get them to my teammates who deal with them or running into a PLD along the way who Covers/Testudos me. Nothing op about that whatsoever.

[monkeytheman]

"I never said the ENTIRE map; YOU said that."
Hi, I am a message that you posted earlier in the thread, love me.

I have kited enemies across the map even without Eos. its nothing not even complicated and there is nothing op about that whatsoever and i don't even heal for that much.

I guess I am assuming that "across the map" would entail an exaggeration of across the entire map.

Like I said, I read some of your posts....found this one the funniest contradiction (of the ones i read anyways....guessing there are more like it). If you, without eos and no really healing much (which would probably just mean using adlo "occasionally"), are able to kite multiple enemies (I remember another post you made about kiting groups....cant find it) without dying from one point to another (which is a rather long distance all things considered), that is not balance. Sure, the people chasing you could not have a keyboard or controller with functioning keys and they are just trying to auto attack you to death....but people that are attacking you should actually put some sort of dent in you. When you focus fire a lone scholar, and they don't even come close to dying, that's not okay.....hell, NO class should be able to do that. The scholar doesn't even have to be very good to pull it off. Please don't get me wrong here, I don't want to see healers die instantly. I want to see a focus-fired scholar die in less than what feels like 3 business days. Clearly a highly organized group will take them down, but it still takes a long damn time...too long really. Nerfing the pet isn't the right way to go about it either. Maybe taking away the double potency shield on crit from galvanize....but that could be too harsh. The way i see it scholar is a hard class to balance for PVP.

[Gor]

I want to see a focus-fired scholar die in less than what feels like 3 business days.

I have tons of videos of SCHs dying in seconds that weren't from an LB. Even I have been downed in seconds when focus-fired, but the reality is, most enemy teams don't. It has nothing do with the SCH as a class and more to do with being properly focus-fired. Its not SE's fault pugs can't get theirselves together to manage to accomplish that. no amount of nerfing will stop a healer from healing if they aren't focus-fired and just allowed to free ball it.

[Koltik]

I want to see a focus-fired scholar die in less than what feels like 3 business days.

Here you go:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgzZWVV0g9M&list=UUxkkvHHUmtmOfkNnVtK1xqA#t=109

https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...R-ezYCSzXo#t=3

[Gor]

people that are attacking you should actually put some sort of dent in you.

They do, I recover from it.

When you focus fire a lone scholar, and they don't even come close to dying, that's not okay.....hell, NO class should be able to do that.

now you are exaggerating just to prove your point. was another healer around? was the healer being covered and testudo'd? are you SURE all your dps was on the SCH and also had a tank or another dps interrupting the casts of hte other healers around?

Please don't get me wrong here, I don't want to see healers die instantly.

no, that is exactly what you're requesting because we die in seconds if we are focus fired its just that most pugs don't do it. you're asking SE to nerf a class that is the essential part of any group AND as such we are the first targets all the time, everytime. if we are dead, so are you and your entire team. its not like the enemy healers have super powers and have an "S" on their chests that the healers on your team do not. i'm guessing you don't play mmos with pvp in them that much because i don't know any game with pvp that healers go down easy, in fact, i find the healing classes in FFXIV are much weaker for the simple fact its pretty much almost a 100% chance that if you're hit, you're interrupted, so what i, and probably what other healers do as well, is just juke ("faking" a cast to make the other player cast) so while my attacker is just standing there staring at me because he's sitting in a global cool down, i am free to get 1 or 2 heals off. its nothing op but knowing how the mechanics in the game work and playing around it and using your knowledge against their knowledge to out-smart them.

[monkeytheman]

Look, I get that you want to defend your class/job, but thinking you are perfectly fine? That's absurd. Yes I exaggerated....pretty sure if you read my post most of the exaggeration would be fairly obvious. Wasn't trying to hide the exaggerated parts lol. I'll say it again, I DO NOT WANT TO SEE SCHOLAR NERFED TO THE POINT OF DYING INSTANTLY. I would like to see them die when focused fired by less than.....5-6 people....when the scholar is alone. I get this happens more when people are bad...and there are plenty of bad players and I'm not great myself. But I can see problems when there are problems. A player should survive a focus fire, when alone, due to outplaying the opponents (assuming both parties are of equal skill). Not really an outplay when people are bad. If you are going to pick apart this message as well and try and argue that the players aren't of equal skill because they got outplayed....you don't understand what outplaying someone is. You also probably think I'm here to troll or anger you or other scholars....I'm not. I'm also done with this topic. I put my opinion out there and suggested a change that isn't overly ridiculous. Because I'm sure this comment will be replied to (most likely by you) I just want you to understand before I close out my end of our conversation that I do not want your class/job to feel useless, I want to see better balance. That's all. I would also like to point out that people wont take you seriously when you end most of your posts with "get guud".....just saying. (And yes, you DID say "get guud" spelled like that a few times.)

[Grekumah]

Greetings PvPers,

As quoted in the original post, this is what was mentioned by one of our counterparts in Japan:
The development team has been continuing to monitor battle balance in PvP content, and in patch 2.35 we will be making adjustments to certain PvP actions. We’ll be releasing all the details in the patch notes.