Supra worth it?

[AttacKat]

I have the mats just lazy. I could get a supra tool for a job would cost about 5 million. Does anyone see any point in getting this? I never need Gil can make 1-3 mil a day.... Any thoughts.

So, let me ask you a question to answer your questions:

If you can craft and get the materias yourself, but you instead just buy your way to iL75 tools, what is the difference with this vs you paying some FC to carry you thru all the nEX trials and Coils?

For me, personally I rather do it myself just because I want to play the game.

[Fusaa]

So, let me ask you a question to answer your questions:

If you can craft and get the materias yourself, but you instead just buy your way to iL75 tools, what is the difference with this vs you paying some FC to carry you thru all the nEX trials and Coils?

For me, personally I rather do it myself just because I want to play the game.

I have the ability to desynth the items myself but I find, that I make money faster crafting other things. I play casual and time is of the essence. It isn't like beating a boss desynthing is relatively easy. I am a crafter so time is money.

[PandemoniumFF11]

So, let me ask you a question to answer your questions:

If you can craft and get the materias yourself, but you instead just buy your way to iL75 tools, what is the difference with this vs you paying some FC to carry you thru all the nEX trials and Coils?

For me, personally I rather do it myself just because I want to play the game.

So let me ask you this, does your post have anything at all to do with what he asked? See I like to post on things that are relevant to what the topic is. That's just me though, I guess you can keep thinking you are Elite on a game that has a low skill floor, and cap. Just saying..

[AttacKat]

So let me ask you this, does your post have anything at all to do with what he asked? See I like to post on things that are relevant to what the topic is. That's just me though, I guess you can keep thinking you are Elite on a game that has a low skill floor, and cap. Just saying..

Sure it does, especially to the OP.

Many people forgot, or do not know if they are new to this game and doesn't know YoshiP and his approach.

Whenever something new is introduced, there are always tons of players rushing to get it as if if they do not have it they cannot play the game. But the truth is, YoshiP does this because he wants to give the hardcore players enough content and that they do not finish it within 1-2 days (even tho some still do), and the rest of us (hint: me is far from elite) can take our time and play catch up later.

We have many examples of this with all the DoW/M iL70 gears, iL90 gears, and now iL110 gears with lockouts, echo buffs, currently caps are just few of the approaches YoshiP employees to do this. When comes time for the next iLvl increase, he eases up on the methods to obtain the previous iLvl items. Hunts is a perfect example ATM.

The iL75 tool is no different. The grind will ease up a few patches down the road.

[Elasia]

Sure it does, especially to the OP.
Many people forgot, or do not know if they are new to this game and doesn't know YoshiP and his approach.

Whenever something new is introduced, there are always tons of players rushing to get it as if if they do not have it they cannot play the game. But the truth is, YoshiP does this because he wants to give the hardcore players enough content and that they do not finish it within 1-2 days (even tho some still do), and the rest of us (hint: me is far from elite) can take our time and play catch up later.

We have many examples of this with all the DoW/M iL70 gears, iL90 gears, and now iL110 gears with lockouts, echo buffs, currently caps are just few of the approaches YoshiP employees to do this. When comes time for the next iLvl increase, he eases up on the methods to obtain the previous iLvl items. Hunts is a perfect example ATM.

The iL75 tool is no different. The grind will ease up a few patches down the road.

Exactly... which is actually one of the biggest reasons getting the tools now is so utterly pointless when the next patch will make them far cheaper to obtain / actually needed possibly. The method is the same but is still flawed for this particular style of gaming. Its more akin to just having to use a endgame mob cockblock that is near unkillable due to lack of content.

[RiceisNice]

While it's not necessary, it's something to do for players who want to aim for the best tools or sets of equips. How they get there is up to them. It technically is the best crafting tool out atm, and that is enough for some people to go after it, even if they have the Artisan/Forager series.

[PROBOUND]

Imo Supra = Relic Novus questline. You are somewhat gated by time which is what SE intended. We will all evenyually need these tools to progress in later patches. Some of us will 'speedrun' ahead, and some will pass until a later date hoping that the barrier of entry will be easier/cheaper down the line.

Tldr: U can only run from it (Supra) for so long.

[SeleneVenizelos]

I answered on the first page with my thoughts on Supra. Now I would like to share my actual experimentation, since I decided to get one.

When I got the new accessories it was because I experimented with simulators and found the additional CP allowed me to alter two of my RNG Free 100% rotations (40 Durability and Tools) and remove the reliance upon food. This was enough to convince me that an otherwise pointless investment was worthwhile. And it was. I can now synth everything except three stars with a 100% success rate every synth with no food. Huge convenience, as it means I can craft as and when time permits, rather than saving a batch for a thirty minute free period to conserve food.

Since getting a Chantico Supra, I've experimented extensively with three star synthesis. My ultimate goal is to see if having a Supra means I can create an RNG Free 100% rotation similar to the other three I came up with for various crafting scenarios. After many hours of testing, my conclusion is it still can't be done. The closest I can get is 4740 of 4980 quality (with HQ materials) - or 86%. This isn't that bad a rate and indeed, for the convenience of not having to focus on your synths and not relying on RNG, reasonable odds. However, for anything that matters, you'd be better off sticking with one of the popular Hasty Touch rotations or manually crafting. Nobody who has extensive crafting experience and mechanic understanding struggles to reach 100% unless RNG is in a particularly brutal mood anyway.

This leads me to conclude that no, Supra is not worth it - not just hypothetically either, as my assessment before was opinion, but technically too.

Having Supra does not provide any tangible return for its high cost. It may provide a small boost for those struggling with regular HQs but this is as much down to personal experience and understanding of synthesis mechanics than lack of stats since HQing three star should be relatively easy for anybody with full melds and an Artisan. A bigger boost would come from the accessories for a fraction of the cost as the new accessories provide an additional 7 CP - a total that I have previously stated allowed me to modify two of my rotations to remove their reliance on food. This is a benefit the Supra's lack of CP does not provide.

Whilst it's easy to completely dismiss Supra based on my experiments, I should comment on one beneficial side to having it. The additional 10 Craftsmanship from the Supra means that only two of the Careful Synthesis II in a three star synthesis needs Ingenuity II active. This frees up a small amount of leeway in a rotation, as you can use Piece by Piece twice followed by a Careful Synthesis II at any point during the synth where another buff isn't active and won't be wasted, before finishing with the two Ingenuity II powered Careful Synths. This doesn't change an awful lot because it still uses the same amount of durability.

The bottom line of Supra Tools is they're currently bragging rights and nothing more. Until such time as new synthesis tiers are released they serve zero purpose and nobody should need them to reliably HQ three star synthesis. As I said previously any issue with this probably lies in a lack of experience with crafting mechanics rather than a lack of gear. Yes, some may consider them "Crafting Relics", but I am not sold. I believe they are nothing more than rushed in Tools to satisfy the continuous requests for more Crafting gear. They provide no increase to previous crafting tiers, they are not required to HQ three stars and they don't provide any game changing benefits to previous synthesis mechanics. The word to describe them is superfluous or placebo. I'm torn on which to go with.

TL;DR: Now that I have experimented with a Supra of my own, they are definitely not worth it. Hoard your Demimateria for a future patch with new synthesis tiers, as their price will escalate due to a sudden influx of interest.

[AttacKat]

I experimented with simulators

May I ask which one are you using?

Other then the JP one, that is limited at 2-star items, I haven't found one the aren't bugged.

[SeleneVenizelos]

May I ask which one are you using?

Other then the JP one, that is limited at 2-star items, I haven't found one the aren't bugged.

http://ffxiv.lokyst.net/

It's been 100% accurate for me with three stars, definitely recommend it!