Will Shiva be an Evil Primal?

[Yoninxi]

The lead up to 2.4 and the introduction to Shiva have me curious. Do you guys think Shiva will be evil in the sense of Garuda/ Ifrit/Leviathan, or docile until provoked like Titan / Ramuh?

Ramuh and Titan were summoned to just protect their respective beastmen,while GIL were on crazy tempering/killing sprees.

Personally I think Shiva has Ishgards King tempered to accomplish whatever her goal is.

Thoughts?

[LillithCale]

Levithan was also summoned to simply protect his people, as the Admiral admits in a cut scene that the whole situation started because of a fight over terrirtory. :3

[Yoninxi]

Levithan was also summoned to simply protect his people, as the Admiral admits in a cut scene that the whole situation started because of a fight over terrirtory. :3

why does limsa have such terrible relations with its beastmen? They crapped on their treaty with the Kobolds then cried to Minfia when Titan curb stomped them.

[LillithCale]

why does limsa have such terrible relations with its beastmen? They crapped on their treaty with the Kobolds then cried to Minfia when Titan curb stomped them.

I think she's a little too determined to do what she feels she has to in order to protect her people.

[Hurlstone]

I think she's a little too determined to do what she feels she has to in order to protect her people.

Which is one of the reasons she is my favorite character in the game. There is a bit more depth to her actions and motivations then the others.

As to Shiva, we will have to wait and see. The fact that she seems to be walking around in a 'human' form seems to hint at a little more independence then the others. It will be very interesting to see who has summoned her, and what her motivations are. Perhaps it is to fight the Ascians controlling the controlled High Preist?

2.4 cannot come soon enough!

[JTribal]

Isn't the Ishgard High Priest (I don't think he is a King but might be wrong) being controlled by the Ascians?

[MuCephei]

Isn't the Ishgard High Priest (I don't think he is a King but might be wrong) being controlled by the Ascians?

I think he was referred to as the "Pope" in 1.0...not sure though...

EDIT: Mkay, the FF wiki calls him the "Archbishop".

[TheRogueX]

Primals aren't evil. They're forces of nature.

Ifrit - aspect of fire. Fire is violent and unpredictable. It cares not for friend or foe, it simply burns.
Titan - aspect of earth. If you'll notice, Titan was protecting his people from those who broke the terms of an agreement made. The evil ones here were the Limsans.
Garuda - aspect of wind. Garuda is no more evil than a tornado or a hurricane.
Leviathan - aspect of water. Again, he is protecting his people from the Limsans, who happily slaughter the Sahagin in droves so that they can expand their territory.
Ramuh - aspect of lightning. Nowhere near evil. His fight with you isn't even out of anger, but a test to see if you're worthy.
Shiva - aspect of ice. We don't know what she's going to be about, yet.

Now, the strangest part of Shiva. Who summoned her? The Heretics? I find that hard to believe, as they have their Dragons to turn to. I know the story seems to hint at that, but I'm still not sure.

Ultimately, if you read between the lines, none of the Primals or Beastmen are the bad guys. All of the playable, "civilized" races (besides maybe the Elezen) in the game are foreign invaders to Eorzea. The primals are simply Eorzea trying to protect itself from the cancerous spread of "civilization." We are the evil that the Primals are trying to stop.

[Exodus-E]

(...)

Primals aren't evil. They're forces of nature.

Ifrit - aspect of fire. Fire is violent and unpredictable. It cares not for friend or foe, it simply burns.
Garuda - aspect of wind. Garuda is no more evil than a tornado or a hurricane.

(...)

I agree with your post/list, save for these particular two.

Ifrit: He is violent, yes; but what he's really after is complete domination/worshipers.
You could argue that it's similar to fire in that all it does is expand and consume everything it touches (akin to "tempering" or "dominating", as an analogy), but still...he's not exactly "good".

Garuda: She is outright sadistic and insane, not to mention power-hungry. She's probably the closest someone would call "evil" here.

[TheRogueX]

I agree with your post/list, save for these particular two.

Ifrit: He is violent, yes; but what he's really after is complete domination/worshipers.
You could argue that it's similar to fire in that all it does is expand and consume everything it touches (akin to "tempering" or "dominating", as an analogy), but still...he's not exactly "good".

Garuda: She is outright sadistic and insane, not to mention power-hungry. She's probably the closest someone would call "evil" here.

Again, at least for Ifrit, his behavior is perfectly aligned to the nature of fire. That being said, he's completely neutral. Note that when he tempers, he tempers all, including those who had already helped him (the traitor Flames); his flame is all encompassing and indiscriminate. Anyway, I never tried to argue that he was "good," just that he's not evil.

Garuda is hard to ping down. She is ruthless and vicious. She's the only one of the first three that we ever saw who seemed to actually have not only personal ambition, but was also vindictive and held grudges. She was that way in 1.0, too. I will concede that Garuda could be considered evil, but she's really the only one that I know of.

Actually the limsans already owned the land, the sahagins just recently started expanding there now, is why they where slaughtering them in droves. There was no sahagin nest in the LL area in 1.0. I do believe they mention this in the sahagin beastman questline as well.

To Leviathan, who is eternal, and the Sahagins, who are native to that region, the Limsans are foreign invaders. Plus, the reason why there was no nest there in 1.0 is because that area was underwater. The seas have receded. Indeed, Limsa is trying to kick them off of land where they already were living before the Calamity.