There needs to be a Priority Need system

[Yoninxi]

Your gearing needs are no more important than his/her glamour/seals/retainer gear. I'm sure when you return these dungeons you will feel the same way.

[JustPlainLucas]

Your gearing needs are no more important than his/her glamour/seals/retainer gear. I'm sure when you return these dungeons you will feel the same way.

How about this? How about we just get rid of the Greed option, and then everyone can just Need anyway? Why should a Paladin be able to claim a shield you can use when you're on your WHM, but you want that shield to glamour it for your own Paladin? It's because of priorities. My system is just another degree of that. And I've been to lower level dungeons as a 50 and honestly don't feel the same way at all. Glamouring is superfluous, and desynthing off dungeon drops is inefficient. I really couldn't see myself taking away a piece of gear that someone can actually use just so I can glamour or destroy it. Like I said in the original post, that's the very definition of greed.

[Aethelinda]

While I understand you completely 100%. Sadly we got a lot of things going for every gear in the game , from glamour to turn it in for rewards. I also want stuff that I use for dysenthing or the so needed seals for getting adventure coin. I do use my fair judgement , if it is a low level , I normally pass everything. However on the high levels like expert roulette I tend to need unless I notice someone needs it more than me or someone asks me. Plus I tend to greed if I don't need it for gears.

In this game there are too many people with too many thing to do in game to control the loot system even more. The only think I could suggest to help with that is to get a day to farm the dungeon with a few of your friends or FC mates or even ask if is possible to pass on "x" loot. But on DF you are exposed to everything from greediness to people actually using the things for other things which is still fair because it is still self improvement. If they are playing that job, the related loot is a priority for the current job being played. therefore it is better to play the job you want the loot for and need.

If they fix it to what you are suggesting, and place don't take it as I'm arguing against you this just an observation, then someone who is even a lower ilevel than you and probably will never even use the gear, will have a chance too. Imagine people trying to get loot for their jobs and others that are not even close enough to your ilevel, meaning lower than you and that will never play the job, getting the loot. Would be unfair.

The universal polite thing to do is ask first or only "greed" if you really don't need it and are just using it for something else rather than gearing up. But it happens.

[Yoninxi]

Its there because the job can use it? I farmed CT1 3 weeks straiggt for divine robe as healer. Imagine doing that if everyone in the party could roll on the item youre after.

I'm not going to pass on something just because someone else can use it that I will 9.975/10 never see again. Seals/glamour are important to me, someone else's gearing needs don't concern me unless I know the person.

[JustPlainLucas]

Its there because the job can use it? I farmed CT1 3 weeks straiggt for divine robe as healer. Imagine doing that if everyone in the party could roll on the item youre after.

I'm not going to pass on something just because someone else can use it that I will 9.975/10 never see again. Seals/glamour are important to me, someone else's gearing needs don't concern me unless I know the person.

No. Based on your logic, there is no level of importance. So, you shouldn't be able to just claim a sword as you're running as a tank, when I need that sword to take it apart for a couple tenths of point in desynthing skill. See where I'm getting at? If there's no level of importance here, then the Greed option needs to be abolished plain and simple.

[NorthernLadMSP]

This entitled thread again? You're not more deserving of the gear than the person who was actually playing that job. The reason it's fair is because the bard was rolling on bard gear, where as you were not playing as bard. You want bard gear, play bard.

[JustPlainLucas]

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Learn how to read. Did I say I wanted BRD gear? I did not. He didn't roll on BRD gear. He rolled on DoW gear, which was around i42. He was already i80/i90. Where the hell in my original post did you think I was trying to roll for bard gear? :? Are you so pissed off about topics like this that you can't take one second to understand what the post is about?

As for being entitled, this has nothing to do with being entitled. It's not just me who thinks this way. When I go into a low level dungeons as a level 50, and someone says they need gear, I'm sure as hell not going to be an ass and need against them, even if I want a damn stupid piece of gear to glamour or desynth. There is no system in place to keep jerks like that from stealing gear people need to level on. Believe it or not, LEVELING is the most important aspect in this game! People who are leveling need to be given priority for gear they actually... need.

[NorthernLadMSP]

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I read your post, thanks. You have a poor attitude in both your original post and your most recent response. It's evident by the fact you've created a whole thread (one of many plaguing the forum over the last few weeks) complaining because some random stranger won an item over you.

Everything you have stated is dripping in entitlement mentality. Regardless of whether it was BARD gear or DISCIPLINE OF WAR gear, you both ran the dungeon. You both put in effort to complete the dungeon. You both had every right to need or greed on it. If you're so concerned about getting every single piece of gear your heart desires, go with friends or FC members that will pass for you.

When I run an instance and want a specific piece of gear, I may politely ask if anyone else needs it. They may pass for me. They may not. I may have to run said instance 20 times to get the item I want, but I also don't come on the forum and create a complaint thread about it.

[Ooshima]

Believe it or not, LEVELING is the most important aspect in this game! People who are leveling need to be given priority for gear they actually... need.

LOL, can't he roll a DoW gear because he does have a DoW class that us under 50 that could actually use it to gear up too? Hey he's improving his character!


I'm sorry, but majority of the people believes that everyone have equal rights to roll need /greedon an item if allowed, because everyone put in the same effort.

And to put it in an ugly matter, I could have said that he deserved more - because he played low level roulette which he have probably absolutely no reason for (because he could have killed an A Rank mark for a comparable tomes reward). And he's there in this sub-50 dungeon to help YOU who is sub-50 to level up.

And here you are complaining about him having the rights to roll on an item which he should have the same opportunity to. He could have used it for another DoW job that is sub-50. He could have used it for every other reason. He spent the same amount of time as you did in this dungeon and paid the same subscription.

Put it to another perspective - (example) I am the Manager of 2 Executives of the same corporate rank and title, both drawing the same pay. Exec A uses this money to support a family of 6 and every dollar seems to count for him, while Exec B is a single man and spends it on night clubs and womanizing. Do I care what do they do with their pay? Or do I prioritize Exec A if there is a chance of promotion or pay increment? Nope, I don't. Not any decent Manager - because both of them are doing the same job (assuming same performance level).

Stop being whiny.

I agree that this is a problem. People do "need" for greed.
people often forget the spirit of what the buttons are originally meant for.
Need is for a gear upgrade for whatever you're currently running the dungeon as.
Greed is not needing it, but wanting it for money/other purposes.

Even for Vanity gear i will only greed things, especially if someone else could actually use it as an upgrade.
I have no respect for anyone who Needs on gear that could be an upgrade for someone else when it is not an upgrade for yourself.

I respect your different view on this, and I don't particularly need your respect, but I thank you for your own view. Because I do not need to run another 20-30 rounds of the new expert dungeons to see the piece of gear I want to drop (and all the bloody cooking sherries!) Love you deep deep.

[Yoninxi]

If I'm doing content as Healer/Tank or DPs, I expect gear for those roles. If I'm running a leveling dungeon for a glamour like Battlemage I'm gonna go BLM or SMN. I put in the same work as the other mage so why should they get it just because they need it to 'level' in?