There needs to be a Priority Need system

[JustPlainLucas]

Current Need/Greed system is broken. So, this just happened to me in Stone Vigil. I'm a monk, and I say I'm leveling and need gear. There's a bard with me in i80 and i90 gear and he needs against me on each and every drop that I really could have used. What the hell does he need i42ish gear for?

*inb4glamour or desynth*

That is the pure definition of greed. What I would have liked to see is his Need option disabled because his current item level gear is higher than my level. And if he Needed on gear that I actually needed just to desynth, well... that's a complete WASTE! People who are leveling should ALWAYS come first.

[Surian]

Well, what's the diffirence between him needing it for desynthing, glamour, gearing up an alt or even seals opposed to you needing it for gearing up?

You both are putting in the same amount of contribution (or should be), so the rights to the loot are equal among all members.

Dont get me wrong, i'm far from saying it's nice of him to just take gear through the need option to desynth/sell/glamour, especially when you yourself can use it for leveling up. A nice and considderate person might opt to passing on the gear since he/she feels it would benefit you more, but regardless of the reason that he "needs" this for, he has just as much right to it as any of the other members running the dungeon.

The current system in place already largely prevents this abuse by only letting you roll need on gear your current class or role can use. If that doesnt narrow down the amount of abuse that originates from this already, then i dont know. It's not like you couldnt have rolled Need on it as well and let the Random Number gods decide who wins.

[Ooshima]

Current Need/Greed system is broken. So, this just happened to me in Stone Vigil. I'm a monk, and I say I'm leveling and need gear. There's a bard with me in i80 and i90 gear and he needs against me on each and every drop that I really could have used. What the hell does he need i42ish gear for?

*inb4glamour or desynth*

That is the pure definition of greed. What I would have liked to see is his Need option disabled because his current item level gear is higher than my level. And if he Needed on gear that I actually needed just to desynth, well... that's a complete WASTE! People who are leveling should ALWAYS come first.

You are the pure definition of greed.

[JustPlainLucas]

I can't believe I actually have to explain this... Someone gearing up should always have priority over someone who wants something to glamour or desynth because they need to improve their character. (and if they have an alt, they should be running the dungeon for the gear they want with that alt). That should be completely obvious. That's like two people in the desert, but one person already has a bottle of water while the other one doesn't. They're both in the desert, yet the person who has the bottle of water finds more water, but takes it from the person who has none. And yes, I DID roll Need, as I stated in my original post.

[JustPlainLucas]

You are the pure definition of greed.

And that's the definition of a worthless reply.

[Surian]

I can't believe I actually have to explain this... Someone gearing up should always have priority over someone who wants something to glamour or desynth because they need to improve their character.

Why?

Because it's the nice thing to do?

Why would a rare piece of armor/gear that is not available elsewhere at all with a unique model suddenly have to be locked out to me, when the person who wants it for leveling up (and will toss/convert it afterwards) could just as well buy a similar piece with perhaps even better stats for 2000 gil on the marketboards or make it himself for free.

In your analogy, why would the person with a water bottle who is looking for water have to bring it to the person who doesnt have a water bottle, when that person is standing next to a mile long line of vending machines (marketboards), a fountain, a pile of empty bottles and all the means to grab and fill a bottle (crafting) by himself if he really wants to.

[Moqi]

People who are leveling should ALWAYS come first.

Maybe he was leveling... desynthesis.

You both did the dungeon, you both get to roll. It's a fair system.

[Urielparadox]

desynthing is improving ones character, they are leveling their craft, that requires completed armor to level, so yes actually it is improving their character. as others have said you can get better gear off the mb then you can get from dungeons, so again glamour trumps first timer here. Repeat dungeon farming for glamour because that s the only place to get the gear vs first time whom can buy better stats off mb or with GC seals. When doing the daily roulette your going to go on the job, that gives you the bonus you want, xp or myth in other words. So they can't always go on their alt to get the gear.

[JustPlainLucas]

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But it wouldn't be locked out to you. You could still greed. If I wanted it for the same glamouring/desynthing purposes, I would greed it myself or just pass it. But low level gear is DESIGNED for people leveling to gear up on. That's is main purpose, before glamouring and desynthing were even introduced, and far more useful for the person leveling on. Glamouring is non-functional and desynthing dungeon drops is an ineffective way to skill up, at least until 70 where you pretty much have to farm level 50 dungeons.

[JustPlainLucas]

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Not nearly to the same degree as someone leveling a job, who can make far greater use of that piece of equipment. And as I said in my above reply, it's rather inefficient to level off dungeon drops and if you're a crafter, you should be making your own gear to desynth anyway.

Look, if there's no way to protect the interests of people who are actually leveling, then get rid of the greed system entirely, because tanks who have healers should be able to need healer drops and vice versa. Because, everyone "needs" everything, right?