Thread: Reminiscing of 1.0 Dungeons

Originally Posted by Falcus

Like Sastasha? Because those weren't dungeons.

I'm just going to make a slight note here, I'm pretty sure they were dungeons. They were not 'instance dungeons' as comparable to WoW instance dungeons, they were open world dungeons as comparable to ffxi dungeon zones or everquest dungeons in the earlier years. They work differently but they both stem from a similar concept.

Originally Posted by Falcus

Like Sastasha?

Cassiopeia Hallows and Sphopsae along with Mistbeard(?) Cove (that makes up 'Satasha') were dungeons - they were open world dungeons, though. The only reason you'd speed through older dungeons were for the multiple chest requirements, otherwise they would have designed em much differently.

Now instead we get people finding ways to steam roll through/mass kill trash (making BRD/BLM the preferred classes) with no additional reward other than to get it out the way faster. They need to bring back locked coffers to offer alternative ways to get items, like in the beastmen strongholds.

The only dungeon I got the chance to run was Shposhae (or however the place was spelled), but I also never got too far since I only played with at most 2 other people and I didn't really make a good tank at the time (Played GLA...Bad idea.)

As it stands, though, it would be nice to have something like the dungeons again. Maybe have them be ways to get the Philo tome items again with a slightly better rate than hoping for dungeon drops.

Yes, I do want better ways to get them than random drops against 3 other people and GC seals where you need 22500 seals just for the 9 you need to make something, why do you ask?

Originally Posted by GaiaGuardian

enemies above cap level

Was not dungeons only, even open world mobs could be above the level cap, there were mobs exceeding level 90 in Coerthas and Mor Dhona and they couldn't be solo'd. Practically, however, the level of mobs in level 50 dungeons is higher than 50 (you can actually notice this when spiritbinding, you can't SB i70 crafts with the first level 50 dungeon mobs very quickly, but try the mobs in higher ilvl dungeons and you see your SB percentage raising much faster, this is because they give more EXP for being of higher level), you need stronger gear to defeat mobs in Hullbreaker than in Castrum, for example.

Odin has a level cap of 60, but Odin only gets this special treatment because of how his power varies based on wins and losses, giving an indication to players.

In 1.0 they had to make the dungeons more complex and challenging since there were only 4 of them (I think). But I do remember it was fun figuring out how to speed run them to get the extra chests to pop everytime.

Only the open world dungeons were mazes with no goal room.
Every instanced dungeon, except Toto-Rak, was a linear path dungeon. They were just bigger.

Example 1.0 Aurun Vale:

Originally Posted by Felis

Every instanced dungeon, except Toto-Rak, was a linear path dungeon. They were just bigger.

What was Toto-Rak like, then? I was one of the people who listened way more than I should have to negative reviews and never touched 1.0. (That and I have a general nervousness about subscription games; it's only now that I have my own income and have a game I actually want to spend money on each month that I've even touched one.)

The open-world Satasha above looked pretty neat, but I'm wondering... what's actually the difference then, between 1.0 Satasha and an area on the map (say, the Eastern Shroud)?

Originally Posted by Pandastirfry

as to Shopshae and Satasha, and 1.0 Tam-Tara and Copperbell mines.....calling those "dungeons" is stretching it. They were zones, nothing more, that and only Shaposhae had anything in them (the plundered gear) which you got by farming keys off anything in the area (certain mobs dropped certain keys, but nothing was that hard to kill) and there were a few NMs that dropped mid lvl gear.

... We had this back in Mabinogi, an underground zone where mobs had a random .0001% chance of dropping a key that could be used to open one of an absurd number of chests just sitting exposed in a couple rooms. And occasionally you'd stumble on a salamander, a demon, or if you really annoyed the RNGods you might bump into an Ifrit; the response to all three was to run the hell away. It was so annoying and grindy that even the game itself simply called it "Ant Hell".

... I suddenly feel much less bad that I missed out on them.

lol

Toto-rak are way different back then. While map are exactly the same, the path doesn't. Since there's no "jumping" in 1.0, party have to traverse to correct path to unlock blockage. Wrong turn will make you fall into unjumpable step which might lead to retracing your steps and losing your time, or worse... forcing players to end up on alternate final boss that doesn't give full reward.

This is the map showing how complex the route players have to take. I sometimes still have to open maps for them:



As you can see, the true final boss are located on the northeast ones. Players can still make wrong steps and end up on alternate 2 bosses. And those red arrow markings on map are one way trip. lol