Visual Knockback vs Actual Position

[Karbine]

This is a problem that has roots even back to FFXI. I was wondering how others felt about this, and if theres any planned fixes in store for us and if its even possible? It would be a big deal it seems bit I don't know anything about how its coded.

So often I will be casting on somebody like, say, a tank in darkhold, and they will be knocked back against a wall under a ledge. What happens at this point is instead of just being pushed against the wall to his back, he slides up the wall and actually looks to be pushed up ON the ledge and some ways too. This makes it so the other players cant use spells or abilities on the now out of range person, even though on their screen they are still against the wall.

Thoughts?

[Ekko]

I agree and I add : why is there a 2,5 seconds delay between what I do and what others actually see.

[trinta]

Karbine: My (primitive) understanding is that most MMOs use estimation of positions. Your character will move on my screen based on the speed and direction you were moving at my last confirmed position for you. If you stop or run into a wall, it will be corrected on my screen at my next sync with the server that transmits your position to me. It's possible that if you see the tank up on the ledge, but the tank shows himself against the wall, you're in that hangtime. And your client says, "No, I can't see him," and doesn't allow the cast.

Again, this is just my very basic understanding, and could be entirely wrong. I'm sure the legions of experienced developers will be along in a few hours to correct any mistakes.


Ekko: Lag. It takes time for your action to go from you to the server, and then the server to the other players.

[giftforce]

And I add: why is there no realistic knock-back animation. I've already had enough of sliding around on the ground as it is, what with the new active/passive animations. Or lack thereof.

[Esk]

Got to Agree it needs some tweaking here. I understand that its not the easiest thing to fix in all situations, but it does seem a lot more present in FF's then other mmo's i've played.

As for animations i'm hoping a lot of simple ones get added along with 1.19, like actually running not sliding while going active/passive.

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[Gun_Anam]

Agreed. It does look rather silly, and is quite inconvenient, seeing people sliding up and down walls. Perhaps if they changed the knock back animation to a knock down animation it would alleviate some of the problems. Put the tank on his ass instead of making him defy gravity.

[giftforce]

I guess the whole tactical point of implementing the knockback is precisely so monsters can knock an opponent outside of range, but it does seem stupid if the player can be knocked back even if he has his back against the wall.

[Zenaku]

I think this would be fix when they redo the maps.

[Karbine]

I don't think its a map problem though....even against a wall in thanalan that doesn't have an upper level, or a ledge in Nanawa that is just a hole, you will notice the player still travels that way.