The Hunt - a game breaking feature

[Roxinova]

Geist, I lead in said TS and LS. We have never shunned those who give us coordinates. We toss them LS invite and party invite. We have even gone so far as to give gil to whoever pops S ranks. If you inform me who was running during that time, I could perhaps speak with someone about it.

[Roxinova]

Highly depends from PoW , for me it does sometimes .
As for me SE created "trash" instead of hunt , i was hoped it would be "pop/trigger" system , like we used in FFXI (Abyssea areas) : kill low nm to gain pop item/items, kill big nm's to gain more pop items , kill Big nm to gain last pop , Kill SUPER INSANE BIG NM to finally get rewarded . While hunts no as i listed above , i better do weekly ones and daily time to time

S ranks do have triggers to pop them, it's just not common knowledge.

[tocsin]

Highly depends from PoW , for me it does sometimes .
As for me SE created "trash" instead of hunt , i was hoped it would be "pop/trigger" system , like we used in FFXI (Abyssea areas) : kill low nm to gain pop item/items, kill big nm's to gain more pop items , kill Big nm to gain last pop , Kill SUPER INSANE BIG NM to finally get rewarded . While hunts no as i listed above , i better do weekly ones and daily time to time

Like the old champion spawns in UO. I like this idea. +1.

[RockGodOne]

This game dead? LOL, what? This game is no where near even being close to "dead". Trust me I've played an actually dead game for like 7 years. It's called maplestory. Hell even runescape is more dead than this game and even that's not even close to being dead.

Anyway, it must just be my server since everyone complains but I have no problems on behemoth unless it's the weekend. But even then it's still no where near as bad as these forums make it seem. I still make it to just about every A rank and have never missed an S at all unless I'm offline ofc. We are good people in behemoth. We all help eachother. Every single Hunt (even B ranks) gets a bunch of shoutouts. The only time it's bad is when multiple hunts popped at the same time. That's when people pull early so they can try to get the others too before they are killed. My GF has a crappy laptop and STILL makes it to 90% of the hunts.

The thinking here is "why not wait for everyone? I'm just gonna be picking my ass for the next 10-20 minutes waiting for the next pop anyway. Pick my ass or be nice and wait? Hmmmm."

[GooberKid]

I'm a new player and I suppose I am fortunate but the Hunts are rather organized on my server. I guess it's like a lot of other things in MMOs: many of the group stuff (or zerg stuff, if you will) usually comes down to how people receive it and utilize it. Of course people are going to zerg anything that resembles a world boss (sorry if my WoW is showing, lol).

To me, and remember I did not play this for its first year except for the CB: gotta have some way for newer folks to catch up so that whenever the level cap is increased they don't feel too badly behind. I dunno, I think the organized hunting on my server is a pretty good thing, people seem to be willing to announce and then wait to group up. But it's probably not like that everywhere; years of MMOs have shown me that.

I happen to be looking forward to smashing out hunts because they will allow me to have some level of gear so that I can start earning better stuff.

[VargasVermillion]

If SE knows what they're doing they'll just simply keep the rewards as they are and it'll just be a way to gear alts in future patches, as for new hunts and rewards they can just add more vanity pieces, minions, even mounts. So it still has potential to be fixed.

[Niwashi]

I'm not even level 50 yet, but have already collected a full set of armor and jewelry that's at least i90 (and i100 in the case of one of the rings). And that's just from spending a couple evenings with a hunt party going after whichever A and S ranked mobs we could find. It's a lot of fun, and I'm glad the reward levels are high enough to get lots of people interested in doing it (since having so many fellow players is what helps make it so fun), but it does seem to sort of overshadow the rewards from pretty much everything else in the game.

[EricCartmenez]

S ranks do have triggers to pop them, it's just not common knowledge.

[sarcasm]Only for the secret society of those who know how to use Google. Don't let people know that though, they might get wind of it. [/sarcasm]

Sorry, only pulling your chain. Most people are aware that S Ranks are spawned under special circumstance. I am part of 8 active hunting LS's. When a hunt is announced on one, most of us announce the location and provide a map flag to all of the other LS's. This gets the word out. My macro also does a shout as well as a party and FC announcement. If people get there, they get there, if they don't, it's not because of early pulls (most of the time). I can say that I hear people whine and cry about not making it (my friends and LS mates included) yet they must have been asleep because an announcement may have been made several minutes prior. But I just got here! Well, several other people have been here a while, so they gave an obligatory 3 to 5 minutes and pulled. That seems rather reasonable. Heck, I've seen on a Saturday morning (east coast US) where we wait 5 to 10 minutes and still barely have enough people to down an A mark then someone says, "Why'd you pull so early?" Um... That's not early, it's rather reasonable. When I have enough time to mine a Grade 3 Thavnarian Soil node in Horizon at 5 AM Eorzia, a Grade 3 Shroud Soil node in S Shroud at 6 AM, then switch to a fighting class then transport to the site then join a party and wait for my traits to charge and still wait... That's more than enough time for anyone. Just because you noticed or received the announcement at a certain time doesn't mean that there wasn't a waiting period. There are enough A and S ranks that you can max out your TOS and TOM as well as AS in short order, even if you're not working really hard. If you don't want to hunt avidly during the periods that the hunts are up and you choose to do other things, that's fine and perfectly respectable. But don't expect those who take those periods to wait all day for you to finish what you're doing so you can get there too.

I look at it like any other thing. When I hunt, I'm hunting, I do my thing and I finish. If I'm lucky enough to get there between mining nodes or dungeon queues, great. If I don't, oh well. I'll still repeat the locations over my macro, even if I have no intention of hunting. It's a courtesy to ensure that the most people I can reach get the word as quickly as I can give it. It's the best I can do to help, but I don't expect people to wait until I'm done with this one thing. They have stuff to do too.

[Roxinova]

[sarcasm]Only for the secret society of those who know how to use Google. Don't let people know that though, they might get wind of it. [/sarcasm]

If you're referring to the wiki and other sources, a couple of those are actually wrong, but yes, it is something people could look up. A lot don't, which doesn't bother me. I have no problem informing those in our group of what needs to be done. It benefits everyone to spread the info.

[Cetonis]

I'm just getting back after a long break, so I don't know the history or dynamics here, but it sure does seem like they've made all those dungeons irrelevant.
While I appreciate the need for new level 50s to be able to catch up, I'd hate to have to tell a new lvl 50 it's best to just do hunting and ignore the rest of the game.

Would a set of changes like this be about right?

- Lower price of seal-only gear to something sane
- Increase price of i90 gear to 150-120-80 (from 40-30-20)
- Slow spawn rate of rank A elites to 6-8 hours
- Add a weekly seal cap (200-250?)
- Double the number of chests in the i60-80 drop 4-man dungeons
- Consider ilvl sync on these dungeons

I think the ideal should be for a new lvl 50 to want to run each dungeon maybe two or three times, and not be completely ezmode carried in doing so. If hunting alone got you to i90 in four weeks instead of four hours, supplementing it with dungeons / tomes could get people there in maybe two weeks or so.