The Hunt - a game breaking feature

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Call me mean to say this, but it seems like, for TOO long now, SE has been quite intent on forcing the FATE style of gameplay on us, to the point that they've essentially just rebranded it, removed the FATE title/mechanic, and began dumping rewards on people. No.

The hunts are FATE grinding without level sync. They are Odin and Behemoth on a daily basis. A first-come, first serve easy access to unlocking the highest gear you can outside of raiding, skills not required. You don't have to be good. You just have to get there first and take a swing. Many times, I've heard of people only landing a single hit, and scoring the log needed for sands/oils. Hey, more power to them, but why is that okay? Why is it even possible?

[rejaan]

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[EricCartmenez]

It's definitely gotten out of hand. People are standing at typical A and S spawn sites and if you call out a B mark, you get, "who cares". I took 3 B marks with a 2 person/2 chocobo party last night in a matter of 30 minutes, and I wasn't hunting! 2 of the marks were the same mark, it had just moved from one location to another on the same map. I was actually going mining when I stumbled on it. A cap on hunts might quell some of this. Everyone I meet has got iLVL 90 or above gear. I bought a full set of iLVL 90 gear for my Warrior and she's only LVL 46! I've max'd out the number of myth tomes I can carry, but who cares? I can't buy level 100 gear with them anyway, so they're just there to pay for my next animus book. It's all about buying sands and oils of time with Allied Seals. Maybe a weekly cap on those as well might help?

[Geist]

Well, the lesser kind can often be tackled in reasonable time with just two players and a chocobo: this happened to me as a black mage while on Beast Tribe Quest duty, I stumbled into a warrior and her bird squaring off against a B Mark. At that level, they tend to telegraph their moves pretty clearly, so it's a fairly safe learning experience and a way to test your skills and rotations; moreover, you might have just found somebody with good party potential.

Going solo was probably easier before the patch, but it should still be OK if you're good, only a matter of time.

But yes - the situation with the top ranks is far from pretty. As ThirdChild noted above, Odin-style rushing makes these targets much less hot, provided you can even glance at them before they go poof, alongside any curiosity of yours about the way a creature fights or the skill of your companions.

IMHO, I wouldn't say it's (early) FATE all over again or just "easy money" (seals - you get the idea); to me, it's about the way people keep gaming the system. We can fix the mechanics through trial and error, it's the attitude that is disheartening.

[Bubblegum01]

When patch 2.3 came, I had a feeling The Hunt was a content i would not enjoy. After trying it a couple of times and experienced how toxic the community suddenly became I knew that I don't like the hunt. now, after a couple of weeks and seeing the map chat being spam with curse and name calling while I gather my materials, I HATE The hunt. I HATE that the first thing I see in map chat when teleporting into a new map is "bloody moron"

I play games to release stress not add more stress to myself. This content was not well thought of. I don't see how they can fix this.

[arctic]

I've already cancelled my sub.

I cannot stand to see the community acting this way day in and day out in each zone I am in. And it is always... ALWAYS... the same. Someone pulled something before others showed up and the next 30 minutes is nothing but name calling and whatnot.

That's such an extreme case of sensitive - I sincerely hope you never accidentally find yourself in the middle of a competition or confrontation.

People who are against this, ask yourselves:
Do you really want to play a game in such an easy way as to be able to obtain literally everything you need to get to the endgame content without using any skill? You don't need any kind of playing skill to zerg down a mob.

That's so elitist and short sighted. First off, it's still not Coil gear. If you're really a min/maxer elitist then you shouldn't feel threatened by the same ilevel gear since the stats still aren't as good. Not everyone can get coil gear, and they've already said these hunts have been introduced to help gear the community for the next wave of content.

The community is getting geared, granted there might have been some short shortsightedness on how far people are willing to take trolling, and how self entitled people are for things they did not find. But that will be resolved with time.

You can't get upset that people are getting gear. That's just ridiculous. No game (aside from guild wars 2, probably) keeps the same high-end gear through out the game. I remember working my butt off for Dark Light gear, now it's an instance trash drop. Should I quit because my high-end gear is getting less shiny because people can get equivalent ilevel gear with not as good stats? If people get stuck on old content because they can't get the gear then people will quit, then who will you flaunt your high level gear to? That really will be the death of the community and the game.

How far are you guys willing to take these complaints? You aren't required to participate and the instances are all still there, they haven't gone anywhere. How much is this really hurting you aside from your - I dunno ... warped pride? If everyone really is doing hunts and you can't find anyone to not do hunts with then, maybe it's just you with a problem?

I don't really expect everyone to have same level of indifference that I do towards hunts, but do have trouble understanding how this is "the one thing" that is generating so much drama and is "ruining everything" and anything related to this game for players.

[RunaRugar]

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People will cry about nearly anything that nullifies their fake feeling of superiority, I'm just happy I'm getting i110 faster for my secondary classes, I don't get why special snowflakes care so much whether other people are getting gear or not, since they still have shiny High Allagan gear.

[Verun]

That's such an extreme case of sensitive - I sincerely hope you never accidentally find yourself in the middle of a competition or confrontation.



That's so elitist and short sighted.

Yes, thank you for proving me right. You are one of the best possible examples of the people who ruin the fun in this game. You only log in to troll and can't contribute anything meaningful to any discussion. Nothing more to be said, really.

[Verun]

People will cry about nearly anything that nullifies their fake feeling of superiority, I'm just happy I'm getting i110 faster for my secondary classes, I don't get why special snowflakes care so much whether other people are getting gear or not, since they still have shiny High Allagan gear.

The problem is not only that other people get their gear faster. This is also a problem of course, because an MMORPG is always about competition and SE always tried to balance the game for people with a life (or work as you may call it) and people without in the past. Right now people who play the game 24/7 are rewarded more for just being there and clicking one button over and over again like a zombie.
The reason for this is the main problem of the hunt:
The marks are not weekly limited. People just go on with their mindless, stupid, no skill requiring, game ruining mark farm. Which leads to another big problem:
All other parts of the game come short. Duty Finder queues take extreme amounts of time to pop now. FATE's are mostly empty. Even the Coerthas FATE people are almost absent now.

The game is not for skillful people anymore. Only silly childish trolls that want to get everything fast and then move on to the next MMO.

[wicked-one]

The game is not dead, but Hunting... well as you state, it´s just the easy way to max out your iLVL by zerging and grinding - or as others would say "winning, by having more time to waste than others"...

and it´s not hunting, it´s just a 4 Hour recurring Routine of zerging down a list of some "Notorious Monsters" which die faster than it´s able to do even a second attack ^^...

i could not care less for people with a full set of 110 Strategy Gear, as it clearly says they did not achieve anything else than wasting huge amounts of time for clearly not the best gear in the game, never touched coil (and probably EX-Primals).

It also is really joke, as Hunting Log´s are handed out like they cost a gil to the ones, and others don´t see more than 2-3 by now... but doubt the RNG, you doubt the whole game...

sure, it is really sad i can not kill an S-Rank with an an alliance of around 30 people like intended, and i probably will never figure out how which monster really works, unless the whole semi-casual player base has maxed out their gear - but that´s just one slice of a really, really big cake...

no really, i just stopped totally to care what other people do/did achieve in this game, i only care for if the game makes fun to me...