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  1. #31
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    Alberel's Avatar
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    Alberel Lindurst
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    Phoenix
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    Summoner Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Ecks007 View Post
    I haven't exactly looked at the stats for the High Allagan weapons (edit: Actually, I checked while typing this up), but it is possible that on some if not most that the secondary stats on them may not be ideal. For example the H.A. Grimoire of Casting has +46 Crit (only 2 more than a capped Novus) and +32 Spell Speed.

    Spell Speed isn't that helpful as a Summoner, but if you were to cap the +31 Det on your Novus I think your over all DPS might actually increase with the Novus rather than the High Allagan weapon. Needs testing to be sure, I suppose. But I know that Det is going to increase your damage, and that Spell speed really isn't. Not as a Summoner, when a lot of our abilities are already instant cast.
    The weapon damage increase on the high allagan weapons would instantly outstrip any bonuses offered by secondary stats on a weapon 5 ilvls lower. Far too many people obsess over their secondary stats. If there is a weapon damage increase of any kind to be had it will do more damage than what you currently have even if it has the worst possible secondary stats for you.

    The relic weapons will always be second best, at least until the final upgrade anyway. The 'perfect' stats that so many people go for truly are unnecessary but min/maxers and those that obsess over such things see it as a challenge or goal to work towards. Good for them. Personally I'm saving my alexandrite and materia until I see how the next upgrade will work. I'm reluctant to spend millions on my novus when there is a possibility the entire expense would be rendered redundant in a few months.
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  2. #32
    Player Alukah's Avatar
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    Alukah Bast
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    Excalibur
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    Goldsmith Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Edeline View Post
    Actually Novus is SCH's BiS until you get High Allagan tome, for example. And let's be honest, it isn't easy. Everyone's talking about High Allagan weapons as if they were accessible to everyone. So yes, even if it costs you a lot, I would rather make the best of it than a half assed stat one.
    Even if you cannot obtain a HA weapon, is an increase of 1-2 dps really worth 10m? For some it might be, for others it's negligible.
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  3. #33
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    Ginga_K's Avatar
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    Ginga Kun
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    Tonberry
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    Thaumaturge Lv 61
    Actually, if u get an item with 2-3 slots, meld a few materia III type,
    u get more stats without wasting $gil$.

    Materia III can be easily obtained from conversion.
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  4. #34
    Player Dwill's Avatar
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    Elenath Lanthir
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    Cactuar
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    Arcanist Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Makado View Post
    While yes that is true, a pet who only misses a couple times is only losing literally a couple dps. Its more important to just have yourself capped and add more damage for you.
    That's actually been discussed before and proven wrong. Pet accuracy cap is more important than a few more determination and crit.
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  5. #35
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    Sakura Ephemera
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    Brynhildr
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    Archer Lv 60
    Why is everyone acting like 10m is difficult to farm...? You can SB for 30 minutes and make 300k minimum. I would actually recommend SBing crafting/gathering gear -> sell -> buy the materia you need. Feel free to gimp yourself b/c you're too lazy to farm, but the "is 1-2 dps really worth 10m?" argument is incredibly stupid.
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  6. #36
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    Melfina Amastacia
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    Excalibur
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    Lancer Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Billzey View Post
    Why is everyone acting like 10m is difficult to farm...? You can SB for 30 minutes and make 300k minimum. I would actually recommend SBing crafting/gathering gear -> sell -> buy the materia you need. Feel free to gimp yourself b/c you're too lazy to farm, but the "is 1-2 dps really worth 10m?" argument is incredibly stupid.
    If you actually understood how markets work you wouldn't say this.
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  7. #37
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    Felis Catus
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    Arcanist Lv 50
    Quote Originally Posted by Edeline View Post
    Actually Novus is SCH's BiS until you get High Allagan tome, for example. And let's be honest, it isn't easy. Everyone's talking about High Allagan weapons as if they were accessible to everyone. So yes, even if it costs you a lot, I would rather make the best of it than a half assed stat one.
    It's fine if you would rather have it, as long as you don't act like anyone not concerned with the < 1% difference their significantly cheaper build makes any difference in actually running content.
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  8. #38
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    Felis Catus
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    Quote Originally Posted by Billzey View Post
    the "is 1-2 dps really worth 10m?" argument is incredibly stupid.
    I agree with you, but I think we reach different conclusions.
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  9. #39
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    Makado Kitase
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    Excalibur
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    Gladiator Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Dwill View Post
    That's actually been discussed before and proven wrong. Pet accuracy cap is more important than a few more determination and crit.
    Our groups summoner tested and his pet would miss 2 or 3 times during fights non accuracy capped. If you can add 15 or 20 det or something over the course of a fight your going to do a lot more damage then your 3 missed pet attacks.
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  10. #40
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    Laxus Dragneel
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    Lamia
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    Leatherworker Lv 50
    After spending so much time grinding atma, finishing the animus' books, and gathering 75 alexs why wouldn't you want your weapon to be the best it can be? Besides, it's not like there is so much content that you can't take your time to spiritbond as much as you need to. I didn't waste any $$ on my novus, but only the one I made spiritbonding.

    That's how I look at it. I'm very happy with my 44 crit / 31 det novus bow.

    Edit: I also have the high allagan bow.
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    Last edited by JustaBard; 07-31-2014 at 04:47 AM.

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