Am I missing something about Novus?

[MasamuneBranford]

Weapon Damage / Weapon Magic Damage Trumps everything else when it come to BiS. Secondary stats are essentially useless when choosing two weapons that aren't at equal strength in Magic Damage/ Damage.

Yep. Exactly what I'm saying. For BLM - spending 10M as opposed to 300k is going to boost your dmg by a mere 1 to 2 dps (where blms are dealing 400+dps). The difference is completely immaterial. Who is to say you won't be able to boost the stats you neglected in a future update? Nobody really knows how it works...but it won't be the end of the world if you fall behind 1-2 dps this round. There's no way your decision on the novus can impact you more than it currently does in the future.

[Staris]

because healer weapons with accuracy

[Tolmos]

because healer weapons with accuracy

You likely jest, but I spend 95% of my time running content that doesn't require my character's full attention or ability, so I just cleric stance for most of it just being a regular ol' DPS. I wouldn't shed a tear of my healer weap had some accuracy on it for that. It would be a nerf when I really need to heal all out, but that's like 5% of my time lol.

[MasamuneBranford]

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[Donjo]

I agree. We need testing done to see how good 31 Det is vs the couple of magic damage increase from High Allagen but I'm pretty sure the Det is better.

No. NO. Did I mention no? Yeah, the Det isn't better.

Let's see. We're looking at BLM, right? The last weight I saw for Determination was 0.2 points of "damage potential"(DP), compared to the 1 INT gives as the central comparison point. People seem to be valuing Det more these days for BLM, however, so it may be wrong.

To really illustrate this point, though, let's throw out that Det weight and say it's 0.5. Whatever it actually is, I think we can agree that it can't be quite that high.

Here's the approximate DP of your BiS Novus with this inflated weight:

Weapon Damage: 75 WD X 8 DP = 600 DP
Intelligence: 42 INT X 1 DP = 42 DP
Determination: 31 DET X 0.5 DP = 15.5 DP
Spell Speed: 44 SpS X 0.26 DP = 11.44
Total DP: 668.94

Here's the High Allagan Weapon
WD: 77 X 8 = 616 WD
INT: 45 X 1 = 45 WD
Crit: 32 X 0.26 = 8.32
SpS: 46 X 0.26 = 11.96
Total DP: 681.28

As you can see, the High Allagan weapon provides more potential damage than the BiS Novus with Determination, even when I grossly overinflate the stat weight.

However, there's another thing worth looking at. Look at how much DP Weapon Damage provides by itself. Let's combine that with INT to create the "Primary Stat Bonus". Let's take all of the secondary stats, put them together, and call it the "Secondary Stat Bonus".

Now we play with the ratio of (Secondary Stat Bonus) / (Primary Stat Bonus) to see how much of a weapon's DP is theoretically provided by Secondary Stats.

The BiS Novus(with inflated Det) (15.5 + 11.44) / (600 + 42) = 26.94 / 642 = 0.0419 X 100 = 4.19%
High Allagan: (8.32 + 11.96) / (616 + 45) = 20.28 / 661 = 0.0306 X 100 = 3.06%

Yeah, the numbers are that low. Mind you, this is just for the Weapon. The numbers end up pleasantly higher on any other piece of gear. That 10 Million gil you're spending on the most perfect Novus will likely make your weapon slot confer less than 1% more Damage Potential to you. To some, this is worth it. To others, this is completely dumb. That tiny increase in DPS won't be the straw that breaks T9's back. The long story short, however, is that the i110 weapon you're going to be holding in your hand after this quest is going to be better than the i100 you used to have as long as you aren't completely stupid with the secondaries(give a BLM Parry/Piety and watch people scratch their heads). It'll even be better if you replace a damaging Secondary with Accuracy. In fact, since Secondaries provide so little benefit to the weapon slot, it may be the best place to put Accuracy(Or Parry, or Piety, depending on your job)!

So, go ahead and make your 25 Crit/25 Det/25 SpS Novus if you want to save money. You'll only need 1 Grade IV materia(for the 25th Det infusion, I think) and the Damage Potential loss over a "BiS" Novus will be so infinitesimal that skill would easily close the gap.

[Taruranto]

Novus and relic quest is fun because it's some king of long-therm progress, something this game sorelly lack, but given that gears get updated every 3 months, it's not worth spending more than 1 milion or 2, imo.

[Rufalus]

This logic scares me. What is the point in spending any time and effort at all then? Just leave it as Animus, put it in your retainer and call it a day. You're only wasting your own time and gil if you're not upgrading it correctly. It's not that difficult to do hunts for myth/alexandrites and SB gear for the proper materia ya know. At least do 25/25/25 like the OP mentioned, 4 stats is just butchering it.

My novus weapon isn't butchered, it's an upgrade over animus no matter how you customise it. There is no correct way. All the 4 stats I chose do something beneficial and aren't useless. When you look at the hardcore people who do all the math, they tell you that these secondary stats make very very little difference anyway, and it's the core stats that you cannot customise that matter far more, especially weapon damage.

[Lollie]

I wanted to put int on my lance because drgs are stoopit and need smarts.... but couldn't figure out how to because of fore mentioned drgness. (It is just a joke relax )

On a serious note most people min/max regardless of the cost as:
That is what they are told as best and take it as is without research,
Truly want to min/max and don't care what it costs,
And/or have so much gil/flow that the 10m cost can be recouped in short order
Last but not least, some people like prada, some like coach, they both do the same job that a grocery bag can do that costs less than a penny. The mark up on fashion can be quite high but people still pay it.

[Nel_Celestine]

Let's say for a moment I want to do the Wiyu Novus. Outside of Det and Crit, what else could be used if i wanted to go say 30/30/15?

[Dice_Kanzaki]

I punched into the universally accepted dmg calculator and determined that the best stats to boost for BLM are 44 spell speed and 31 to Det.

Sorry, I guess I'm kind of a newb, could anyone give me a link to that universally accepted DMG calculator? I'll reach the Novus step too and I've been wondering about how to upgrade my Gae Bolg Novus efficiently within a limited (3 million) budget.