Am I missing something about Novus?

[MasamuneBranford]

I see people spending anywhere from 3M to 10M to have one stat at 44 and another at 31.

I play a BLM. I punched into the universally accepted dmg calculator and determined that the best stats to boost for BLM are 44 spell speed and 31 to Det.

However - putting 25 into Crit, 25 into spell speed and 25 into Det gets you 1 to 2 less DPS. Based purely on estimate - I feel that a 25, 25, 25 novus wouldn't cost you much more than 300k.

We are talking 1 to 2 DPS when there are videos of BLMs in turn 8 hitting 400+ dps with procs. So someone is paying 9.7M more gil so that they can gain an extra second of damage every 4 to 5 minutes?

If Novus was BIS then maybe (just maybe) I could see why people would want to spend that type of gil. However - SE has only showed us so far that relic weapons are second tier and the top tier are weapons earned from raid content. Heck - nobody even knows what the stat allocations will look like post-Novus. Stats could get reset again or be thrown for a loop.

If I have this wrong - please correct me. That's the purpose of my post after all.

[Ecks007]

I haven't exactly looked at the stats for the High Allagan weapons (edit: Actually, I checked while typing this up), but it is possible that on some if not most that the secondary stats on them may not be ideal. For example the H.A. Grimoire of Casting has +46 Crit (only 2 more than a capped Novus) and +32 Spell Speed.

Spell Speed isn't that helpful as a Summoner, but if you were to cap the +31 Det on your Novus I think your over all DPS might actually increase with the Novus rather than the High Allagan weapon. Needs testing to be sure, I suppose. But I know that Det is going to increase your damage, and that Spell speed really isn't. Not as a Summoner, when a lot of our abilities are already instant cast.

[Rydia13]

Since they seem to be taking a very similar route now to FFXIs Relic/Mythic/Empyrean weapons, I think some comparison is in order. That being said, those weapons were never BiS until they were completely upgraded. The weapon itself went through several stages and it wasn't top-notch, heck, it wasn't barely useable until you completed it. At least in our game relic weapons always take the #2 slot during the upgrade process.

My point is, idk about BLM too much but I'd get the best possible stats you can get cuz when the day comes, and it will, your relic will be BiS and it'd be best if you didn't screw yourself out of the strongest weapon you can build.

Also, expect the Relic upgrades to get harder, more tedious, and potentially more expenssive as it progresses from here on out. The simple fact that they're letting us choose our stats is a dead giveaway of their intention for this weapon. I believe SE said in an interview that the Animus was the halfway mark of the relic line.

[Rydia13]

I haven't exactly looked at the stats for the High Allagan weapons (edit: Actually, I checked while typing this up), but it is possible that on some if not most that the secondary stats on them may not be ideal. For example the H.A. Grimoire of Casting has +46 Crit (only 2 more than a capped Novus) and +32 Spell Speed.

Spell Speed isn't that helpful as a Summoner, but if you were to cap the +31 Det on your Novus I think your over all DPS might actually increase with the Novus rather than the High Allagan weapon. Needs testing to be sure, I suppose. But I know that Det is going to increase your damage, and that Spell speed really isn't. Not as a Summoner, when a lot of our abilities are already instant cast.

I agree. We need testing done to see how good 31 Det is vs the couple of magic damage increase from High Allagen but I'm pretty sure the Det is better.

[MasamuneBranford]

Good responses. Thank you.

I guess it's good to go for best possible - but as of now - if i'm only losing out on a mere 1 to 2 DPS - i'm not sure if it makes sense. I'm thinking i'll just farm the 75 alexandrite and wait till 2.4 to do any upgrading. A level 100 animus or a 110 soldiery weapon is fine to do everything currently available.

[Ecks007]

Good responses. Thank you.

I guess it's good to go for best possible - but as of now - if i'm only losing out on a mere 1 to 2 DPS - i'm not sure if it makes sense. I'm thinking i'll just farm the 75 alexandrite and wait till 2.4 to do any upgrading. A level 100 animus or a 110 soldiery weapon is fine to do everything currently available.

I'd say you'd be fine to start working on your novus as far as going up to the tier III materia right now. I can only speak for my server, and last I checked, tier III wasn't too bad. Tier IV materia is where prices tend to get stupid, at least on the highly sought out Crit and Det materia. Though prices have gone down since the initial rush, they are still pricey.

[Rufalus]

I just used 4 different stats to spread the cost so I never even needed any tier IV materia at all. I think you are right, there's no point in spending gil or time on getting to cap with only 2 stats. Just buy some cheap tier I-III materia, get your novus weapon and be done with it. It's still a novus, doesn't make a huge difference what secondary stats you use.

[Kamifubuki-Yoakesetsuri]

Weapon Damage / Weapon Magic Damage Trumps everything else when it come to BiS. Secondary stats are essentially useless when choosing two weapons that aren't at equal strength in Magic Damage/ Damage.

[Tolmos]

I think the point of Novus isn't being missed, just lost- it's for Min/Maxers. There are players who have the time and want something massive to work towards, something that most of us common plebeians would/could never go for. But, at the same time, the developers don't want that difference to be so massive that it alienates said plebeians. This is where things like the Novus come in. It gives the hardest of the hardcores something to work towards that is part vanity, part effectiveness.

Combine this with the fact that the relic is meant to be infinitely upgradeable, the second purpose to doing this would be to allow yourself the ability to upgrade in the future. I don't think you could skip Novus and go straight to the next upgrade, so you'd not get Novus so much because you want it for now, but because you might want the future upgrades later.

Either way, I have no intention of going for Novus atm and completely support its existence, despite that.

[Rydia13]

I just used 4 different stats to spread the cost so I never even needed any tier IV materia at all. I think you are right, there's no point in spending gil or time on getting to cap with only 2 stats. Just buy some cheap tier I-III materia, get your novus weapon and be done with it. It's still a novus, doesn't make a huge difference what secondary stats you use.

This logic scares me. What is the point in spending any time and effort at all then? Just leave it as Animus, put it in your retainer and call it a day. You're only wasting your own time and gil if you're not upgrading it correctly. It's not that difficult to do hunts for myth/alexandrites and SB gear for the proper materia ya know. At least do 25/25/25 like the OP mentioned, 4 stats is just butchering it.