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  1. #81
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    Xenor's Avatar
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    Xenor Vernix
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    Melee DDs have MP for a reason. Trifuricate ARC skill uses MP and I've never complained.
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  2. #82
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    Trifurcate, a skill that you don't actually have to use often as you can achieve the same effect with Multishot. I never complained about Seismic Shock before either. These are our BASIC ATTACKS though. As in, if I don't have MP I can't participate in basic battle regimens basic attacks. Oh or heighten my evade chances further, you know the only thing Pugilists have going for them survival wise.
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    Last edited by Arcell; 08-07-2011 at 11:13 PM.

  3. #83
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    What? I use Trifurcate every time it is up and it sucks when I'm out of MP and can't use it due to curing myself on Batraal or whatever.

    Are you saying the PGL equivalent of Light Shot uses MP and a PGL can't attack at all if they don't have MP? That sounds weird if true.
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  4. #84
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    Pugilist auto-attack is free. Flurry is free but on a 60 second recast and can't be used in battle regimens. Pummel requires MP and is on a 30 second recast. Light Strike requires MP and is on a 30 second recast. For an Archer it would be like if Heavy Shot had an MP cost.
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  5. #85
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    I don't even have Heavy Shot on my bar to be honest. Maybe it's worth using since 1.18 I don't know. But I see your point. PGL is already kinda weak, they don't need to make life worse for them.
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    Yeah, its really hard to compare ARC and PGL due to the autoattack discrepancies.
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  7. #87
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    Aedida Aldricht
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    Probably due to its 10 second buff. ): Still though! It is kind of weird. But with haste/haste gear I hope for it to not count as much.
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    Yeah that ^
    Cool signature, btw!
    Not you, Oscillate_Wildly.
    Not you.

  8. #88
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    You can't really argue the buff standpoint though as Featherfoot gives the same (and stronger version) effect as Light Strike but requires no MP.
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    And even if you did accept the 10 second buff is worth 10 MP for Light Strike, that just makes the Pummel MP requirement of 20 even stranger.
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  10. #90
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    Syon Elewir
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    light strike 10 mp > eva boost for 10 seconds, ok- pummel 20 mp 30 seconds recast and tp bonus, comparing it to lnc's full thrust which gives tp bonus with a recast of 60 seconds. pug has a pretty good AA rate and the only class with a recast of 30s 30s and 60s for the 3 attacks (not counting archer as it's just...archer >.>).. i guess that SE had to push pgls down on something and they chose mp instead of gimping your pummel to 60 seconds recast.. not saying that it's a good or bad choice, i'd prefer a longer recast and use mp for..well, heals <.<
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