Novus Meld Failure - Remove Please

[Xenor]

I don't know how people can justify spending 10 million+ on a weapon that isn't BIS, and even if it was it's a weapon that will be outdated within 3 months with patch 2.4 easy content. No doubt Shiva weapon will be i115. I decided to meld no tier 4s in my Novus and I found that expensive enough - 2 million gil wasted. Melding tier 4s is insanity.

[CeeTwo]

I don't know how people can justify spending 10 million+ on a weapon that isn't BIS, and even if it was it's a weapon that will be outdated within 3 months with patch 2.4 easy content. No doubt Shiva weapon will be i115. I decided to meld no tier 4s in my Novus and I found that expensive enough - 2 million gil wasted. Melding tier 4s is insanity.

The weapon will continue to be upgraded passed 110... derp.

[Jerichai]

The weapon will continue to be upgraded passed 110... derp.

And secondary stats will continue to have a much smaller impact to overall effectiveness compared to the sheer power of primary stats and weapon damage.

Sure, two stats may represent the 'optimal', but most people can show you the loss of melding three stats is practically negligible.

Honestly, now that the nexus step is out, I think people are probably better off just getting to that step ASAP as the gain in weapon damage in primary stats outweighs trying to get a future more points in secondaries with Teir IV (yes I realize your secondary choices scale too, but the same principle applies as it does at the Novus state).

[Granyala]

Sure, two stats may represent the 'optimal', but most people can show you the loss of melding three stats is practically negligible.

Honestly, now that the nexus step is out, I think people are probably better off just getting to that step ASAP as the gain in weapon damage in primary stats outweighs trying to get a future more points in secondaries with Teir IV (yes I realize your secondary choices scale too, but the same principle applies as it does at the Novus state).

Wait, so you can meld another stat onto it and bypass Class IV Materia alltogether?!
Awesome. Since I don't raid cutting edge, I have no reason to minmax to this extreme extent.
700K Det IV materia combined with "OMG RNG FAIL BECAUSE WE CAN CODE IT LAWL!" sounds like no fun at all.

Thanks for the input!

The other problem is that this system is built on top of the other massive RNG fest of melding where you also have something like a 50% fail rate (elemental and primary stat materia i'm looking at you).

You mean spiritbonding? Unless you can EZmode craft Ilvl 90 (most people can't), you have 3 layers of RNG when it comes to Class IV materia:

-Getting the materia you need
-Getting a Class IV version of said materia (small chance depending on on level, even ilvl 90 is not guaranteed)
-Melding it successfully.

Looking at the insane prices, I honestly wonder how many people go the RMT route...

[Giantbane]

You mean spiritbonding? Unless you can EZmode craft Ilvl 90 (most people can't), you have 3 layers of RNG when it comes to Class IV materia:

yes, spiritbinding. typing too fast

[Giantbane]

And secondary stats will continue to have a much smaller impact to overall effectiveness compared to the sheer power of primary stats and weapon damage.

Sure, two stats may represent the 'optimal', but most people can show you the loss of melding three stats is practically negligible.

Honestly, now that the nexus step is out, I think people are probably better off just getting to that step ASAP as the gain in weapon damage in primary stats outweighs trying to get a future more points in secondaries with Teir IV (yes I realize your secondary choices scale too, but the same principle applies as it does at the Novus state).

You can also rework your Novus/Nexus now. So even if you go the 3 stat route, you can just remove the *extra* stat and put on those expensive Tier IV materia at a later date when you have them.

[Granyala]

You can also rework your Novus/Nexus now. So even if you go the 3 stat route, you can just remove the *extra* stat and put on those expensive Tier IV materia at a later date when you have them.

Selective rework or do you have to "reset" it and start from scratch?

[Shougun]

Selective rework or do you have to "reset" it and start from scratch?

Have to get the scroll again and the gems for the melds you want to redo but it was nice of SE to not make a 100% rework.

Selective. You get a filled in sphere scroll, and you remove the ones you don't want. Then you use alexandrite and materia to fill in the rest just like you did the first time.

For example, given 33crit, 23det, 19acc. You remove the 19 accuracy, then using 19 alexandrite you can meld another 11 Tier IV crit and 8 Tier IV det to change it to 44 crit, 31det.

This ^ lol

[Granyala]

Have to get the scroll again and the gems for the melds you want to redo but it was nice of SE to not make a 100% rework.

Good to know, thanks.

you can't disagree that people are grossly over exaggerating how terrible they are.

Yes, people always exaggerate in RNG discussions. However, given the 2.35 spirit bonding chances, I think Novus should be looked at again.
If getting a Class IV materia is such a royal PITA, it should NOT be possible to be lost due to some "derp RNG".

keep the Materia, destroy the Alexandrite if you really feel the need to beat your players up.... (at least for the class IV tier), but imho, getting 75 gems and getting 30? ish Class IVs is more than enough effort for a simple item. At least it is for HONEST players.
Sure RMTers just snooze through it and burn a few Euros/Dollars, but systems should NOT be balanced with filthy cheaters in mind!

[Giantbane]

Selective rework or do you have to "reset" it and start from scratch?

Selective. You get a filled in sphere scroll, and you remove the ones you don't want. Then you use alexandrite and materia to fill in the rest just like you did the first time.

For example, given 33crit, 23det, 19acc. You remove the 19 accuracy, then using 19 alexandrite you can meld another 11 Tier IV crit and 8 Tier IV det to change it to 44 crit, 31det.