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    Quote Originally Posted by Dwill View Post
    Got any proof of that or simple your own anecdotal evidence ?
    Seen plenty of screenshot proof on Reddit, etc. Heard about it a lot, seen it happen in-game.

    Easy enough to find if you browse around. Also, 16 is obviously an erroneous figure but I've seen that figure surpassed on multiple occasions.

    It's reasonable to assume it happens elsewhere, besides just in front of me or apart from those who decide to post it to Reddit.

    Heck, I got up to 14 consecutive failures myself.

    It's just fact that it happens period, even if only to a handful of people, it's too punishing still IMHO.

    I just don't think it makes for good gameplay whatsoever.

    I think SE puts too much reliance on "pure" or "true" RNG.
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    Last edited by Toodles; 09-24-2014 at 06:20 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dwill View Post
    Got any proof of that or is it simply your own anecdotal evidence ?
    Not sure how to quantify plenty but more than 16 has likely happened at least once (discussing the statistical probability a statistic happened, I'm in love with this conversation! lol).

    I hate %s.. lol, even when I'm lucky I can't help but think some poor soul just got back stabbed. You know "shit happens" when you fail 95% success rate for all gathering attempts on a +1 gathering node (thankfully it was all garbage materials and I laughed at how /incredibly/ lucky (unlucky) that moment was).

    It would be nice for each failed attempt you get one guaranteed attempt of the same materia and grade.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toodles View Post
    Seen plenty of screenshot proof on Reddit, etc. Heard about it a lot, seen it happen in-game.

    Easy enough to find if you browse around. Also, 16 is obviously an erroneous figure but I've seen that figure surpassed on multiple occasions.

    It's reasonable to assume it happens elsewhere, besides just in front of me or apart from those who decide to post it to Reddit.

    Heck, I got up to 14 consecutive failures myself.

    It's just fact that it happens period, even if only to a handful of people, it's too punishing still IMHO.

    I just don't think it makes for good gameplay whatsoever.

    I think SE puts too much reliance on "pure" or "true" RNG.
    The statistical possibility of failing 16 in a row even with 50% are excessively low. I'm not saying that it never happened to anyone but I highly doubt it's as common as you're making it out to be.

    Could it be better ? Sure. Is it as bad as people are making it out to be ? Not at all.

    Quote Originally Posted by Shougun View Post
    Not sure how to quantify plenty but more than 16 has likely happened at least once (discussing the statistical probability a statistic happened, I'm in love with this conversation! lol).

    I hate %s.. lol, even when I'm lucky I can't help but think some poor soul just got back stabbed. You know "shit happens" when you fail 95% success rate for all gathering attempts on a +1 gathering node (thankfully it was all garbage materials and I laughed at how /incredibly/ lucky (unlucky) that moment was).

    It would be nice for each failed attempt you get one guaranteed attempt of the same materia and grade.
    It does suck to fail at a high percentage chance of success but as long as it isn't 100% chance, the probability that it might fail will exists. Like I said in the previous quote, it could be a better system but it's far from being as bad as people are making it out to be.
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    Last edited by Dwill; 09-24-2014 at 07:23 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tsuwu View Post
    My "perfect" SMN Novus cost me around 3.8 million.
    I failed twice, ever. Once on a grade II Savage Aim, and once on a grade IV savage might.
    Not that bad.
    50% still means decent odds.

    It made it more fun, that apprehension as to whether or not my materia would stick.
    I don't get why everyone wants safety nets put up around an already forgiving system.

    Danger/risk/accomplishment... {Can I have it?}
    Being lucky with meld chances isn't an accomplishment.

    This post is akin to all the people who got their atma in a single day going 'The system isn't that bad! Stop being lazy.' Womp.
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    Novus melding is perfectly fine as is in my opinion. Failure/success rates don't even drop that low, lowest being a 50% chance.
    If it costs too much, can spiritbind. It doesn't take that long really. Don't want to put the time in? Go for the coil weapon.
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    I failed quite a few melds on mine. By the time of completion I was 9.5M invested. It sucked blowing up so much materia but I knew the risk since RNG is involved just like everyone else. There were cheaper options available to me and I still chose to do it.

    I think its fine the way it is. If SE decides to change it thats fine too. Makes no difference to me. I would still build another one either way.

    InB4 "you got your atma in a single day" response.
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    Defending Novus meld failure is like defending getting kicked in the nuts. There's a possibility you'll never get kicked in the nuts on your way to work and everything will be great, or there's the chance you could get kicked in the nuts 10 times before you get there. The question is, why would you want to put in the chance of getting kicked in the nuts at all? The people that defend it were never kicked in the nuts or had expensive nut-kick cushioning undies on that other people can't afford and then say "I don't see how getting kicked in nuts is such a big deal."
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    Last edited by Gaddes; 09-24-2014 at 09:17 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gaddes View Post
    Defending Novus meld failure is like defending getting kicked in the nuts. There's a possibility you'll never get kicked in the nuts on your way to work and everything will be great, or there's the chance you could get kicked in the nuts 10 times before you get there. The question is, why would you want to put in the chance of getting kicked in the nuts at all?
    Except it's nothing like that because you can't spiritbind a new set of nuts.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barboron View Post
    Except it's nothing like that because you can't spiritbind a new set of nuts.
    LOL, well maybe you could, who knows...
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    It would be nice if every time you failed the success rate would increase, so eventually it would be guaranteed. Just that little tidbit would be nice. As it stands Novus is more time-consuming than Nexus, but that's not saying much I guess.
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