Request: Racial Gear Expanded (Dyeing, Interchangable)

[Madotsuki]

It's been a frustration since launch that there isn't any immersion anywhere into the races and their backgrounds and a piece of clothing hardly fills this void.

I never said it "fills a void", I said it's one of the only few aspects of cultural uniqueness we even have. I'm trying to say I think it'd be disappointing to remove it.

The only reason I'd suggest race specific gear not being exclusive to its original race is because the whole concept is outdated with the advent of the glamour system. It was originally designed to stop every new player looking identical - but we don't anyway thanks to glamour. Mission complete, handshakes all round. Time to let it go and raise the exclusivity, in my opinion, or at least release some remotely similar gear for other races to glamour in.

New players can't use glamour until they're level 50, at which point they aren't really new and then have access to myriads of options for glamour. Honestly I am quick to forget that it requires you to have a level 50 job first too.

Though again, I reiterate it's just my opinion that it'd be disappointing for the exclusivity to be lost. You seem to be concluding I am saying that I don't think they should do it.

I did my best to ignore the needlessly belligerent tone in your replies, but this is just too much. You're using pink Gallant armour, so I think it's safe to call you a hypocrite here?

Regardless of whether you think my tone is "belligerent" or not, what relevance does me having augmented Gallant armor glamoured have anything to do with this topic at all? My posts have been opinions about RSE exclusivity, not dyes. Besides, if you really cared that much to look at my Lodestone, at least pay attention, it's dyed purple.

And the post you are quoting is simple matter of fact. Poser, imitator, follower, etc. If you are trying to pose as another race with their clothing, you are a poser. Does it necessarily mean its bad or that the term is slanderous? No, it is just simply that. People imitate fashion in real life all the time.

[Irving]

I did my best to ignore the needlessly belligerent tone in your replies, but this is just too much. You're using pink Gallant armour, so I think it's safe to call you a hypocrite here?

That's purple and don't hate on purple!
I do agree though that the game needs more expansion upon racial lore and that the idea of racial segregated gear is a rather archaic idea. All this though, I can definitely understand the pull of having the starting gear remain as such as there is basically next to null racial differences or uniqueness unless you pay attention to Duskwrights during general quests and the highlanders/miqotes in Southern Thanalan. I do also understand the desire to have this gear available to everyone and to release restrictions that as are as I said; old and archaic.


Somewhere in the middle lays the path that can satisfy both sides of the argument and give the races their own uniqueness while maintaining equality.

I still prefer unique racial animations for battle stances, skills and magic casting but alas.

Also I do want to ask, how does using dyed gallant armor make Madotsuki a hypocrite? It is not like she is using gallant armor on say, a monk or warrior. (though that would be nice to have my armor be able to show warrior AF when I'm on paladin so it doesn't default to Noct armor lol)

[SeleneVenizelos]

Hey! I have nothing against purple!

And of course you are both entitled to your opinions, and I thank you both for contributing to the discussion. The biggest beef I have is when people use lore as some kind of excuse for game design, decisions, limitations or exclusions that make no sense at all. Racial gear is, in my opinion, one of them. Using racial culture as a reason to keep this exclusivity is as redundant as saying it'd break lore. A piece of clothing is not racial identity. It never will be, either, no matter how much we long for it. Yes, there are a few mentions in quests about certain races or their behaviour, but there's no lore on it. I'm talking back stories, histories, that kind of thing. Something that, story wise, separates the races apart and really throws us into the thick of their history. A piece of clothing? It's only racial culture because that's the only race that can equip. Remove that limitation and it's just another piece of clothing. Doesn't sound like a very convincing piece of identification to me!

I mean really. Any level 50 Weaver could easily make a Miqo'te skirt to fit a Hyur. I don't really see how that's "racial identity" other than a falsely generated sense of exclusivity based solely on that race being able to use it. It's not like the gear gives them super powers or is tailored specifically to their race. It's just another skirt that only Miqo'te can wear. Nothing about that provides Miqo'tes with any kind of racial identity. Throw a pair of Roegadyn budgie smugglers on a Highlander and it's the same deal. Just another piece of equipment that, for no reason whatsoever, they decided would be exclusive to their race.

Edit: I had no idea glamour was for level 50s only. Thanks for enlightening me there.

[Madotsuki]

A piece of clothing? It's only racial culture because that's the only race that can equip. Remove that limitation and it's just another piece of clothing. Doesn't sound like a very convincing piece of identification to me!

Just another piece of equipment that, for no reason whatsoever, they decided would be exclusive to their race.

Doesn't change that at the end of the day, the starting gear for the races is intended to come off as garments that reflect an aspect of their culture (however small we have of it) and likely the race's homeland. The devs made that design choice, whether you like it or not. Do you not acknowledge cultural clothing in real life, too?

Also, I like that you completely dodged calling you out on labeling me a hypocrite.

[Wildsprite]

Or just keep begging until the devs cave since they don't seem to care much about lore anyway, like most others.

the easy way around the lore would be to have race quests. such as an Elezen or maybe a Miqo'te in Gridania that wants you to join something like a dinner or a ritual but they want you to dress the part. it wouldn't be that hard to add cool quests to allow other races to wear race specific starter gear and it would be nifty if they did.

lots of possibilities that could make neat little side stories and still keep with lore

[SeleneVenizelos]

the easy way around the lore would be to have race quests. such as an Elezen or maybe a Miqo'te in Gridania that wants you to join something like a dinner or a ritual but they want you to dress the part. it wouldn't be that hard to add cool quests to allow other races to wear race specific starter gear and it would be nifty if they did.

lots of possibilities that could make neat little side stories and still keep with lore

Indeed. Not too hard to come up with something lore abiding (hohoho):

Quest from a Midlander NPC somewhere: "Ah, greetings Tete! We want you to gatecrash the Annual Miqo'te Gathering XXXVI in Gridania and strengthen bonds between our people."
Quest Dialogue: "Well, you're a prrrretty Hyur but you'd look better in our trrrraditional rrrracial garb. Here, I think this will fit your size."
Quest Reward: An untradeable Miqo'te Skirt that can be worn by all Females.

[Ninix]

I would *love* to have dyable versions of the RSE (as well as having it be usable by other races, though obviously I understand the reasoning against that) and quite frankly I totally expect them to implement something like this soon. Of course, I also expect it to require 2 million gil worth of materials for each piece, so there's that.

[16bitBounty]

I will give my firstborn for the ability to wear the Miqo'te loincloth on my Highlander.

[NorthernLadMSP]

I definitely want to be able to dye the racial clothing. That would be awesome.

[Genesis-xyx]

A much as I love a lot of other race gear, I like the fact that it's unique to that race. I fully support the idea of dying them though, more so than any other suggestion I've seen in this forum.