If Red Mage were in FFXIV ARR... It would be like this!

[Matter]

Hello! I made a Reddit post on the FFXIV subreddit about Red Mage and how it would play in FFXIV ARR! It took forever to produce so I'll link it right here http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen...would_be_like/

Thanks! This was super fun for me to do!

[Najara]

I disagree with Banish/Scourge idea.. I think it should be sword/weapon related.
Also no Drain/Aspir lol.
You really overloaded them with magic spells and neglected their true utility which is their versatility

I know you did it for fun, but those are my thoughts

[Alise]

Being a job that can do so many things such as heal, spell, sword, buff, debuff... meaning also gimps at many things also btw.

[Ilenya]

Being a job that can do so many things such as heal, spell, sword, buff, debuff... meaning also gimps at many things also btw.

Like a Red Mage always was? Being capable of doing everything, at the cost of not doing it as well as dedicated jobs?

[Alise]

Like a Red Mage always was? Being capable of doing everything, at the cost of not doing it as well as dedicated jobs?

Yes that is how my red mage always early job to use since on FF3, FF5, FF-dimension, then change them to Sage, or Devote or Magus or Summoners later end-game wise.

[Duelle]

Not enough sword + magic. Too many spells and abilities, too. I can't really wrap my brain around why you'd give the job Refresh when it was the downfall of the job last time. That said, my sig, yadda yadda.

I admit that with classes being what they are, it is very difficult to make a hybrid design split evenly between melee and magic, but I personally don't want to see a return of what effectively ruined RDM for me.

Like a Red Mage always was? Being capable of doing everything, at the cost of not doing it as well as dedicated jobs?

Except this paradigm didn't work in FFXI because by nature MMORPGs encourage focusing on a particular role. The aesthetic and base concept of the RDM stays the same (pimp hat, sword-wielding magic user) but the mechanics and approach to the job has to be different for it to actually work.

[Ilenya]

Mostly the response was to say that it was silly to complain about RDM ending up being not so good at things due to having access to everything, because that is how RDM has pretty much always been. I believe in FFXI it was the best at debuffs (Correct me if I am wrong), but otherwise just had general middle of hte road stats for everything else.

I would love to have a perfectly viable RDM that can do a little of everything, but I'll wait to see what comes of it.

If nothing else, I am getting it for the AF suit when it comes out.

[Alise]

Think about current hard end-game check point.

Okay, during the coil progression (before beat it first time). many of the cases were hard DPS check that even if a pure dps class were to be distract, die, slow down, then party would wipe. So if you replace your DPS with RDM, then wipe due to not enough DPS.

Then here come another healer check. It come as place to place where it require stoneskin and aldo +> spam cure-II, specifically in other to survive certain attack. So if you replace healer with RDM, then wipe, because RDM can't give big heal. (and they shouldn't be able to).

Then there are place where Tank need to swap between 1 and 2. If RDM fill up tank spot, then it is also a wipe.

All in all, the battle design isn't kind enough to actually have a class that do no good at anything.
If it gonna be the best debuff class or buff class, then it may have its place, but that mean SE will need to reduce their DPS check, or heal check, or stop tank swap to open up the spot to let a balance job join. Basically, if they want battle to be flexible to any class, the hard-check will need to be soften, and that mean people with pure class gonna get it pass check point easy. Therefore, to keep content hard, the design of content would need to match role specialize. If RDM doesn't specialize anything then it doesn't fit. Sure it could get specialize on buff or debuff, but that isn't what players base ask for right?

Particularly, this is why most players stop using RDM on end-game of FF3, FF5, FFD. Only class that is best on something is viable in real end-game. And it was why RDM in FF11 was design to be Refresh class. cuz it is good at nothing else!

[RygaenYuui]

And it was why RDM in FF11 was design to be Refresh class. cuz it is good at nothing else!

Except Converting HP for MP and being able to heal in Meripo type settings. Oh and Fast Cast. Yeah. They were getting picked over WHMs regardless of healing potency because of the downtime it took for WHM's to recover MP.

I could see them fitting in RDM. God knows they didn't give BLM access to all the spells that make it BLM, and they've made WHM into a druid without the shapechanging basically.

[Ilenya]

I'll give you that. Having not been seriously doing end-game stuff (Only beat Turn 1 before the Echo buff came into play, still only beaten Garuda Ex), I don't tend to think along those lines of what would be needed on those.