T9 heavens fall push help

[EvilJoshy]

Hi all. My static and I are getting closer to downing this rat with wings. Our current problem is killing the boss and the add before the 3rd heavens fall. Often we either get the boss weak enough and skip the 3rd heavens fall but the add is still alive. It's close to dead but we have to go through the next phase with that thing still alive and we have to avoid it's aoe when we kill it.
Other times we kill both adds but were like .5% from stopping the 3rd HF. When we run around avoiding the towers blast range the pld is getting nailed by that multi-hit death sentence move (bahamuts claw?) and with the healers avoiding the floor he gets killed right there.
We have a pld main tanking, war ot, whm+sch, blm, brd, mnk, and my smn. Most of us have our i110 weapons. The only ones who don't are the sch, the mnk but he has novus, and the war cause he used his UAT on his main job. He only uses War when we go to coil.
Sometimes when the boss drops down and begins casting the first HF our mnk uses LB on the boss, he stays on the boss at all times, the rest focus on the add. Sometimes this works other times were not killing the add fast enough. Or we push the boss while the add is just barely alive.
Other times we pop CD's on the boss after HF and on the first add. Then when the 2nd add shows up I bane the boss and drop meteor. This kills the 2nd add but doesn't hurt the boss enough to push the last HF.
All of us are using food, some are using poison and stat pots but I'm not sure if all of us are using them.
I feel if we can get a smooth transition into this phase we can study the rest of the fight and finally hope of getting some cool high allaghan weapons.
Any advice?

[Poringing]

There are 3 popular methods to handle phase 3 so far:

1. Melee LB3 the dragon while the group pushes phase

2. Mage LB3 both of them while the group "splits" DPS

3. Single dragon, with melee LB3 on the boss

4. Brave 3rd heavensfall and phase change immediately after (doable but not so popular)

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You tried:

1. Single (or was it double?) dragon, with melee LB3 on the boss
- At least I think that was your approach?
- Either way, this method is intended for groups with high DPS; probably not recommended for your group
- If it was a double dragon, perhaps doing mage LB3 or melee LB3 on the dragon would have been simpler (less damage going around)

2. Mage LB3 both of them while the group "splits" DPS
- Recommended for groups with average (required for the turn) DPS
- Channel more DPS into the boss; it is alright to have the dragon dying during Bahamut's claws in phase 4 with near full attention to boss until Bahamut's favor is seen
- Mage LB3 earlier to facilitate phase pushing
- Perhaps SCH can find openings to deal damage to boss, typically before and after dragons
- Perhaps better positioning of players and boss during heavensfall to maximize damage dealing time (e.g. stacking for supernova baiting)

[Grotesque]

Are you using potions? If not -> use potions

The easiest way to fix your situation is to do a little DPS stop, survive the 3rd heavensfall (its not hard) and push him over then. However, your PLD could use HG to nullify the first set of claws (it gives your healers a little break too). Otherwise, you want to optimize your dps. I saw several possibilities which work, the best was (DPS required) having 1 dragon und two heavenfalls. Instant melee lb on add and finished off by the melee himself (with only a little help by bard) and sticking to the boss for the rest with WHM single heal the shit while SCH was dpsing too. The most safest possibility I know (when DPS is a bit slacking): Kill first add normal, Caster LB the second along with boss.

[Electrowitch]

Sounds like an Dps problem to me. Mage Lb3 on the 2nd add should easily push the Boss to the next phase the moment the add dies with lb. Also you said you tried Mnk Lb3 on the boss and you say almost everyone have his/her ilvl110 Weapon, so usually you should be able to easily push the Boss before even the 2nd add appears.

[PetiteMalFleur]

Use mage lb3 on the add. It is more overall damage and should completely destroy the add if you dps it to 70%. Sounds like dps is a bit low though.

[Staris]

replace your dps.
Judge them by the amount of meteors you get in phase 1.
Shoot for 4 (3 with 115 weapons can be done), With 5 being acceptable.

If your getting 6+ and they have 110 weapons and gear, It is time to find a new group anyway.

[Nitros]

If your group have ilvl 110 weapons you can easily Mage LB3 the first dragon and the boss and get only a single dragon (by getting the boss under 47% before the 2nd dragon). Alternatively, if for some reason you don't have LB3 (it has happened to us several times), you can always burst both dragons and use Melee LB3 on the boss during the second dragon.

If that doesn't work, leave the group.

Also do as they suggest on previous posts and evaluate the DPS by checking how many meteors you get during phase 1. You should get 4 unless something goes really wrong (then you might get 5 every now and again).

[Dano]

ways to improve DPS

1.) Solo tank
2.) have your SCH DPS abit
3.) Have DPS burn int/str/dex potions
4.) Have everyone use potent potions
5.) Tank Darnus at the sweetspot so melee DPS can work on him during heavensfall, you'll want tempered will to keep yourself from eating the wall.
6.) If you are dual tanking, War off tank go DPS accessories, spec str, off defiance anything to help dish extra damage.

if after the 2nd heaven's fall finishes and Darnus is at more than 50% hp then it's not advisable to push the phase, you'll want to DPS Darnus very close at 46% and deal with the extra ghost then push it.

sidenote, you have to be very careful when pushing that phase, if you push phase while having twist on someone with no ghosts to drop cleanse then someone's gonna die, pray it's not one of your tanks or healers.

LB3.

you can get an automatic LB3 as long as everyone in the party has stoneskin during megaflare.

[TheKingSlayer]

-melee stay on boss the whole time (except to get out of dragon aoe)
-use pots right after 1st heavens fall and blow all cooldowns, Smns get dots up then Bane to add when it spawns (side note you can use both stat and poison pots, they are not on same cool down)
-use Mage Lb3 to finish off dragon and help push boss

[Electrowitch]

-melee stay on boss the whole time (except to get out of dragon aoe)
-use pots right after 1st heavens fall and blow all cooldowns, Smns get dots up then Bane to add when it spawns (side note you can use both stat and poison pots, they are not on same cool down)
-use Mage Lb3 to finish off dragon and help push boss

Well, it doesnt relly matter how you do it. Of course the way you describe works well(in a pt with capable dps). But you can also LB3 melee right away.(or after add if the 3rd bar didnt fill with megaflare) Have the Melees
also dps the add. and then everyone on the boss again. We have Nael usually at 48 during 2nd Heavensfall so we can push that 1% to not even get that Super Nova during 2nd Heavensfall.

I think there´s no need to give OP "advice" how to do it, since so many different ways work well. YOu just do what you feel most comfortable with. Party from OP has definatly a general dps Problem.