get RID of the extra buttons to press when engaging please

[DoctorMog]

We don't need a dedicated button to initiate auto-attack. Regular attacks work just fine.

A lot of players need to realize that this game is NOT PC-only. Any control layout change has to be made with controller use in mind, and there are only so many buttons available. They're already starting to stretch with the two-key combinations used by targeting mode changes.

A lot of gamepad users need to remember they are playing on a PC.

Not everyone has money for a gamepad.
PC's default controls are KEYBOARD and MOUSE, and ALL of them have both.
This is NOT a PS3 exclusive game.
This game came out for PC FIRST. (it should have had PC controls 1st, THEN adapted to PS3)
Some people dont LIKE gamepads (hence why I play PC games..)

I can go on if you want, but the simple fact is that this is currently a PC only MMO. So why do I have to buy EXTRA things to make it work? I understand the intent of compatibility for PS3, but you can save that argument for WHEN it gets released for PS3. Until then, it is NOT a PS3 title and the UI SHOULD be PC optimized.

[Rowyne]

A lot of gamepad users need to remember they are playing on a PC.

Not everyone has money for a gamepad.
PC's default controls are KEYBOARD and MOUSE, and ALL of them have both.
This is NOT a PS3 exclusive game.
This game came out for PC FIRST. (it should have had PC controls 1st, THEN adapted to PS3)
Some people dont LIKE gamepads (hence why I play PC games..)

I can go on if you want, but the simple fact is that this is currently a PC only MMO. So why do I have to buy EXTRA things to make it work? I understand the intent of compatibility for PS3, but you can save that argument for WHEN it gets released for PS3. Until then, it is NOT a PS3 title and the UI SHOULD be PC optimized.

Finally, someone sums up exactly how I feel on this issue.

If a PC-friendly UI is being held back by gamepad controller limitations, then I think it's about time that dual UIs be developed.

I do not like gamepad controllers or the game setups that come with them. Using a kb/mouse allows for single-click actions. Besides, this is a PC game and I will not buy extra hardware to play it, considering I've already sunk hundreds of dollars worth of upgrades into my machine just to be able to run it. This is where I draw the line.

A PC game that cannot be played effectively with a keyboard and mouse is just broken. The funny thing is, Yoshi-P has said he realizes this, that since it's PC-only right now it needs to be optimized for PC. Why do people keep defending broken mechanics by suggesting we should just play with a gamepad when the devs don't even accept that excuse?

[Rentahamster]

If a PC-friendly UI is being held back by gamepad controller limitations, then I think it's about time that dual UIs be developed.

In a previous interview, I vaguelly recall them making some sort of statement that this is the eventual goal. It's just gonna take a while.

[Rowyne]

In a previous interview, I vaguelly recall them making some sort of statement that this is the eventual goal. It's just gonna take a while.

I read this, too, but it might have been mentioned long ago enough that it was the previous dev team. I'd like to know if this is still in the plans for the game?

[Rentahamster]

I read this, too, but it might have been mentioned long ago enough that it was the previous dev team. I'd like to know if this is still in the plans for the game?

I also vaguely recall that this was a new dev team statement but I could be wrong. Regardless, even if it was the old team, I really don't see the reason why this wouldn't be an important design goal.

There were two similar topics related to this problem with auto attack days ago in the Gameplay forum and its been even longer since a dev apparently touched the folder.

We've seen two dev replies to that folder and its sub folders in the last two weeks. In comparison the general discussion gets multiple replies in a single day. σ _ σ

Yeah, everyone keeps wanting to have that gold crown next to their thread titles. That is the incentive. As long as the CRs keep posting in threads that are created in the wrong forum category, people will still create threads in the wrong forum category. I think that if they reply to a thread with a response or new info, they should use a thread that's posted in the right category, or move the thread to the correct category themselves.

[Phenidate]

Finally, someone sums up exactly how I feel on this issue.

If a PC-friendly UI is being held back by gamepad controller limitations, then I think it's about time that dual UIs be developed.

I do not like gamepad controllers or the game setups that come with them. Using a kb/mouse allows for single-click actions. Besides, this is a PC game and I will not buy extra hardware to play it, considering I've already sunk hundreds of dollars worth of upgrades into my machine just to be able to run it. This is where I draw the line.

A PC game that cannot be played effectively with a keyboard and mouse is just broken. The funny thing is, Yoshi-P has said he realizes this, that since it's PC-only right now it needs to be optimized for PC. Why do people keep defending broken mechanics by suggesting we should just play with a gamepad when the devs don't even accept that excuse?

Comfort zones. Once someone gets used to things being the way they are they will do anything they can to stop it from changing, never mind how important or useful change might be.

In my case I've got enough money for a controller, but I don't HAVE money for a controller. Even if I did, I'm not about to handicap myself just because people are 'OK' with it.

That aside, exactly why is it the Devs are ignoring the Gameplay forum? Whats the point of asking us to keep gameplay related discussion and feedback, and having us use the [dev####] tags to direct your attention to feedback on specific topics if you DO NOT USE THEM. There were two similar topics related to this problem with auto attack days ago in the Gameplay forum and its been even longer since a dev apparently touched the folder.

We've seen two dev replies to that folder and its sub folders in the last two weeks. In comparison the general discussion gets multiple replies in a single day. σ _ σ

[Dreamer]

A lot of gamepad users need to remember they are playing on a PC.

Not everyone has money for a gamepad.
PC's default controls are KEYBOARD and MOUSE, and ALL of them have both.
This is NOT a PS3 exclusive game.
This game came out for PC FIRST. (it should have had PC controls 1st, THEN adapted to PS3)
Some people dont LIKE gamepads (hence why I play PC games..)

I can go on if you want, but the simple fact is that this is currently a PC only MMO. So why do I have to buy EXTRA things to make it work? I understand the intent of compatibility for PS3, but you can save that argument for WHEN it gets released for PS3. Until then, it is NOT a PS3 title and the UI SHOULD be PC optimized.

Strawmanning a bit. I never said anything about you needing to purchase a gamepad. What I was saying is that the developers can't just focus on one control scheme or the other, they need to develop for both. It's an aggravation for players, but it's just something that has to be endured when you're working with multiple platforms.

[Rentahamster]

Strawmanning a bit. I never said anything about you needing to purchase a gamepad. What I was saying is that the developers can't just focus on one control scheme or the other, they need to develop for both. It's an aggravation for players, but it's just something that has to be endured when you're working with multiple platforms.

Everyone understands that they need to develop for both platforms. What we are scratching our heads about is why in the world did they not have a decent keyboard interface ready to go from the start after 5+ years of development, especially considering that they planned to launch on PC first.

[DoctorMog]

Everyone understands that they need to develop for both platforms. What we are scratching our heads about is why in the world did they not have a decent keyboard interface ready to go from the start after 5+ years of development, especially considering that they planned to launch on PC first.

Thank you for saying what I had a hard time saying.

[DoctorMog]

And a lot of "PC players" need to realize it's a new generation and a lot of people like Gamepad controls for their PC games as well, so it's actually good that a game is built with both in mind.

We already know optimizations will happen.

Let me quote this AGAIN since you didn't read it:

Everyone understands that they need to develop for both platforms. What we are scratching our heads about is why in the world did they not have a decent keyboard interface ready to go from the start after 5+ years of development, especially considering that they planned to launch on PC first.