this is getting Ridiculous

[saeedaisspecial]

It's fun for me because I don't have to grind it many times in a single week just to get something to drop. .

So you'd rather do content once a week and not have it drop at all?
Your idea of fun is amazing!

[ispano]

So you'd rather do content once a week and not have it drop at all?
Your idea of fun is amazing!

I never said a specific drop, like CT. I meant for something to drop AT ALL. Typically for top end content, if you have it unlocked, the drop rates are not 100%. And even if they're really low, people blow through the content in very little time.

Then don't. When Coil 1 was unlocked I didn't force myself to do turns I didn't like all day every day.

Read above.

They do. The cons vs pros of of a free system have discussed multiple times here. "People will get gear too fast!!!" is a weak argument versus "the ability to play with your friends" and "the ability to play all weak and peace youself".

No, they don't. Most people only look at what they think they want. They never look at it from other people's views or even the developer's views. If unlocked content was such a great idea, why hasn't there been any decent games which used that system? Besides the lack of difficulty, and having to deal with trolls and whatnot in CT, why do many of us find CT boring as hell?

You have to understand, something being difficult or gated or whatnot, is not the same as intentionally making something difficulty or pacing yourself.

[Taruranto]

I never said a specific drop, like CT. I meant for something to drop AT ALL. Typically for top end content, if you have it unlocked, the drop rates are not 100%. And even if they're really low, people blow through the content in very little time.

Yeah, and they will have nothing to do... WAIT, JUST LIKE NOW.

No, they don't. Most people only look at what they think they want.

I know exactly what I want.

They never look at it from other people's views or even the developer's views. If unlocked content was such a great idea, why hasn't there been any decent games which used that system?

Lockouts weren't in FFXI (not so heavy anyway, you could do Dynamis every 72 hours) and you could raid every night.

Besides the lack of difficulty, and having to deal with trolls and whatnot in CT, why do many of us find CT boring as hell?

Because CT is a 24 men long ass raid that drops level 100 useless items and with sleep inducing difficulty and which only worthy reward is dropped from the end boss with a 1/3 chance and then 1/8 chance. Please, don't compare it to coil.

[Dwill]

Lockouts weren't in FFXI (not so heavy anyway, you could do Dynamis every 72 hours) and you could raid every night.

And you had extremely low drop rate on anything you wanted as a result. I'm pretty sure any FFXI veterans who has done salvage has heard or seen story about people having terrible luck with their items necessary. People who camped for hours in sea and sky hoping to get some spawns for the ZNM. Or the low chance at claiming every HNM in the world with an even lower chance at getting their items (D.ring and Ridill being prime example). And none of these could really be called raid per say. The only things close to a raid were Dynamis and Limbus.

[Taruranto]

And you had extremely low drop rate on anything you wanted as a result.

And I could play with my friends every night, instead of looking at PF and sighing that I can't join this coil group or say to my friends I can't help them with T6.

Halting the progress so that there is enough content for people to do in between patches.

There isn't enough content anyway.

It would be ridiculous for everyone to run around in full soldiery and coil gears in less than two weeks after a patch.

No, it wouldn't. Who cares? People are already in Full soldiery a month after the patch. I'm throwing myth items at my alts I don't even use. After you do coil in game there is shit to do, other than hunts.

Most lockouts exists for a reason and a good one.

Nope, it's a stupid reason unless you are a white-knight that think SE could do no wrong. People want to play with their friends, they want to pace themselves, they don't want to play the 8-man-static game or the log-once-per-week game.

[Dwill]

And I could play with my friends every night, instead of looking at PF and sighing that I can't join this coil group or say to my friends I can't help them with T6.

And you can still play with your friend every night now. What were you doing every night anyway in FFXI that you considered raiding to begin with, seeing as to how Dynamis and Limbus were both at 3 days lockout each at release and for quite awhile after ?

There isn't enough content anyway.

There is a big difference between content that you don't want to do and lack of content.

No, it wouldn't. Who cares? People are already in Full soldiery a month after the patch. I'm throwing myth items at my alts I don't even use. After you do coil in game there is shit to do, other than hunts.

Using hyperbole won't do you any good. It takes 10 weeks to get a full gear set of soldiery, weapon excluded. Also, you are throwing myths on alts when you don't even have a Novus yet so I am inclined to believe that you are either ignoring content unwillingly or are just ignoring it because you don't want to do it but again, this refer to my previous statement: There is a difference between content that you don't want to do and content that exists.

Nope, it's a stupid reason unless you are a white-knight that think SE could do no wrong.

I'm sorry but I really can't take you seriously with a statement as ridiculous and childish as this. There is a plethora of things I think Square Enix did wrong so I highly doubt me disagreeing with you makes me some kind of white knight.

People want to play with their friends, they want to pace themselves, they don't want to play the 8-man-static game or the log-once-per-week game.

You can easily pace yourself at a decent speed and play with your friend everyday, just not rushing and getting everything done in less than two weeks. I mean, if you are complaining right now about lack of content with lockouts, one can easily figure out how even worse it would be with no lockout.

[Taruranto]

And you can still play with your friend every night now. What were you doing every night anyway in FFXI that you considered raiding to begin with, seeing as to how Dynamis and Limbus were both at 3 days lockout each at release and for quite awhile after ?

No, I can't. I can't do Coil every night with my friends and I can't help them with it. I could do Sky, Sea, Dynamis, Limbus and Odin's Chamber in XI with them though. You are not playing a MMROPG, you are playing the 8 men lockout game, log in every monday.

"B-BUT SEA AND SKY ARE NOT RAIDING!!!"

Who gives a shit, they were worthwhile and signification endgame content worth doing. Unlike CT and Ramuh.

There is a big difference between content that you don't want to do and lack of content.

There is a big difference between content worth to do and content not worth doing.

Using hyperbole won't do you any good. It takes 10 weeks to get a full gear set of soldiery, weapon excluded. Also, you are throwing myths on alts when you don't even have a Novus yet so I am inclined to believe that you are either ignoring content unwillingly or are just ignoring it because you don't want to do it but again, this refer to my previous statement: There is a difference between content that you don't want to do and content that exists.

46/75 Alex for Animus, riiiiight.

I'm sorry but I really can't take you seriously with a statement as ridiculous and childish as this. There is a plethora of things I think Square Enix did wrong so I highly doubt me disagreeing with you makes me some kind of white knight.

Sorry, but the reasons why content lockout is bullshit are been examined multiple times. Only the worst SE fanboy are willing to defend this bullshit. Them or casual that afraid hardcore will progress too much leaving them behind.

You can easily pace yourself at a decent speed and play with your friend everyday,

No, you can't. Don't you read people complaining they can't play with their FC members every day on this forum or how they log and had nothing to do because they capped Coil on first day (or they have static and can't join random pug or friends and progress with them)

"Hey friend, can you help me with T6?" "Nope, sorry, cause Yoshi doesn't want me to gear that much or play you ya :^)"

Heck, they could also solve the problem by using a model similar to CT for coil, but again, NOPE.

"B-BUT PEOPLE WOULD SELL RUNS!!"

2 words: who cares.

just not rushing and getting everything done in less than two weeks.

Actually, you can do everything in less than two weeks. 2.1 complete extremes the first week, complete CT, complete the new dungeons... after it just became the "log on monday" game.

I mean, if you are complaining right now about lack of content with lockouts, one can easily figure out how even worse it would be with no lockout.

Or maybe it would be better. People would log out to do coil with their friends. Gear up their alts.

With hunts, that allows me to play and gear up as much I want,I'm playing more.