this is getting Ridiculous

[ToffeeCoffee]

I'm all ears. Please, tell me how my opinion that people waiting a bit and letting a dozen or so people get credit is better than people snatching up anything they can get and only 5 or so get the credit, is wrong.

Because it's never just a dozen or so random people that show up. It's the giant coordinated horde who are following spreadsheets of shared information about every single mob The Hunt provides, and then recording time of death so they know exactly when to circle back around to farm the same mobs again. If you don't fall into line and let the horde get their full credit, guess what? You're blacklisted..over 5 seals.

[Brine_Gildchaff]

Because it's never just a dozen or so random people that show up. It's the giant coordinated horde who are following spreadsheets of shared information about every single mob The Hunt provides, and then recording time of death so they know exactly when to circle back around to farm the same mobs again. If you don't fall into line and let the horde get their full credit, guess what? You're blacklisted..over 5 seals.

I think I'm failing to express myself here... I don't agree any more than you do with this sort of behavior. When I talk about someone waiting a few minutes, I mean something like

> find mob -> call your party over -> put up a shout to people in the zone who're also searching -> wait 3-5 minutes or until ~20 people have shown up (allows for 2-3 parties) -> pull mob -> do your thing, get your credit -> (optionally) if someone's shouting omw still consider slowing down dps to let them try for credit too

I don't at all agree with someone trying to rip enmity off of you and demand they get first crack at the credit. I've even suggested in other threads a "finder's mark" that when applied gives your party a minor seal bonus and ensures that you and only you can make the actual pull.

[xenosuke1]

I think I'm failing to express myself here... I don't agree any more than you do with this sort of behavior. When I talk about someone waiting a few minutes, I mean something like

> find mob -> call your party over -> put up a shout to people in the zone who're also searching -> wait 3-5 minutes or until ~20 people have shown up (allows for 2-3 parties) -> pull mob -> do your thing, get your credit -> (optionally) if someone's shouting omw still consider slowing down dps to let them try for credit too

I don't at all agree with someone trying to rip enmity off of you and demand they get first crack at the credit. I've even suggested in other threads a "finder's mark" that when applied gives your party a minor seal bonus and ensures that you and only you can make the actual pull.

no matter what happens they will still reset it to fit thier needs there is no other way to explan it. I do like your finders mark idea and would agree whole heartedly on it but still all in all they will just reset it and screw other people and if the finders mark is determined on who tagged it first we are still at square one

[Brine_Gildchaff]

no matter what happens they will still reset it to fit thier needs there is no other way to explan it. I do like your finders mark idea and would agree whole heartedly on it but still all in all they will just reset it and screw other people and if the finders mark is determined on who tagged it first we are still at square one

Square has weighed in and said malicious resets are a bannable offense. And honestly I still don't totally buy it, I've seen a LOT of people calling for resets and... I've yet to ever actually see it successfully happen.
And when I talked about the finders' mark, I envisioned it as basically an extra General tab action, with the following effects:
1) The mob cannot aggro any player that is not in the finder's party, for a period of X minutes or unless no member is within Y yalms of the mob, until the finder's party makes the pull. (This is needed to avoid abuse, otherwise some troll would mark the mob then wander off and do nothing for an extended period of time so nobody could touch it.)
2) If the finder's party participates, they receive a set seal reward over and above their contribution reward. (Might also be advisable to make the party automatically get full credit, but at the same time I could see this being abused too; consider a party putting up a finder's mark, then using one shield lob to pull, each member making a single auto-attack, then the whole group wanders off somewhere else and gets full credit plus bonus for the kill when it was other players who did the killing.)
3) An alert is sent out to only that zone reporting the monster's name and position. There shouldn't be a problem with this since none of the incoming players can touch the mob anyway; the finder's party has full rights to decide how long to wait before pulling the mob.

No one else deserves full credit. They may be lucky enough to get there in time, and that's great, but they weren't the ones to find it and thus aren't entitled to it.

I'm not trying to talk about deserving or entitled. I just think it's a nice thing to do to let other parties in the area who're searching as hard as you for a hunt mark to join in and get a shot at the rewards too, and a bit mean-spirited to actively try and deny that chance.

[Taika]

I'm not trying to talk about deserving or entitled. I just think it's a nice thing to do to let other parties in the area who're searching as hard as you for a hunt mark to join in and get a shot at the rewards too, and a bit mean-spirited to actively try and deny that chance.

I do agree, in theory. However, after seeing how often announcing the marks in shout leads to both another group pulling or resetting it (which often leads to the original founding party not receiving full reward) and horrible abuse in /shout chat, it really isn't something I'd recommend for anyone to do in this situation. Unfortunately, being nice and trying to share these marks just leads to a person not getting rewarded but being verbally abused and blacklisted instead.

[ispano]

I think I'm failing to express myself here... I don't agree any more than you do with this sort of behavior. When I talk about someone waiting a few minutes, I mean something like

> find mob -> call your party over -> put up a shout to people in the zone who're also searching -> wait 3-5 minutes or until ~20 people have shown up (allows for 2-3 parties) -> pull mob -> do your thing, get your credit -> (optionally) if someone's shouting omw still consider slowing down dps to let them try for credit too

I don't at all agree with someone trying to rip enmity off of you and demand they get first crack at the credit. I've even suggested in other threads a "finder's mark" that when applied gives your party a minor seal bonus and ensures that you and only you can make the actual pull.

The problem is 3-5 minutes is way more than enough time for that zerg to show up. And if the mob is a B rank, it's easily soloable as it is.

[ToffeeCoffee]

I think I'm failing to express myself here... I don't agree any more than you do with this sort of behavior. When I talk about someone waiting a few minutes, I mean something like

> find mob -> call your party over -> put up a shout to people in the zone who're also searching -> wait 3-5 minutes or until ~20 people have shown up (allows for 2-3 parties) -> pull mob -> do your thing, get your credit -> (optionally) if someone's shouting omw still consider slowing down dps to let them try for credit too

I don't at all agree with someone trying to rip enmity off of you and demand they get first crack at the credit. I've even suggested in other threads a "finder's mark" that when applied gives your party a minor seal bonus and ensures that you and only you can make the actual pull.

I tried that the first time I found Naul. I did the supposed right thing, shouted for an invite, got into a full party. The horde appeared, no one pulled early. My party apparently didn't throw enough enmity around because I didn't get weekly credit. 2 weeks later and I've not seen Naul since. I'll be solo'ing it if there's ever a next time. Just to reiterate, shouting will never attract ~20 people.

[Kuwagami]

I think I'm failing to express myself here... I don't agree any more than you do with this sort of behavior. When I talk about someone waiting a few minutes, I mean something like

> find mob -> call your party over -> put up a shout to people in the zone who're also searching -> wait 3-5 minutes or until ~20 people have shown up (allows for 2-3 parties) -> pull mob -> do your thing, get your credit -> (optionally) if someone's shouting omw still consider slowing down dps to let them try for credit too

I don't at all agree with someone trying to rip enmity off of you and demand they get first crack at the credit. I've even suggested in other threads a "finder's mark" that when applied gives your party a minor seal bonus and ensures that you and only you can make the actual pull.

then you actually agree with OP, unlike you told a few posts ago

[Mjollnir]

> find mob -> call your party over -> put up a shout to people in the zone who're also searching -> wait 3-5 minutes or until ~20 people have shown up (allows for 2-3 parties) -> pull mob -> do your thing, get your credit -> (optionally) if someone's shouting omw still consider slowing down dps to let them try for credit too

On my server it used to be:
find mob -> join up with 3-4 players who found it at the same time -> shout location -> Hunt LS member in zone repeats to Hunt LS -> 100+ members from Hunt LS teleport in to nearest Aetheryte -> all Hunt LS members wait very politely until everyone in the LS has arrived (usually within one minute) -> mob is engaged -> mob dies ~10 secs later -> you get one seal

But really, now it goes:
find mob -> join up with 3-4 players who found it at the same time -> don't tell anyone -> take 1 min killing mob as others join in as they pass -> Hunt LS member spots and notifies Hunt LS -> 100+ members from Hunt LS teleport in to nearest Aetheryte (usually within one minute) -> mob is dead before they arrive -> you get 10 seals -> /sh channel is filled with abuse

Although, really, 90% of them go:
Hunt LS member finds mob -> notifies Hunt LS and doesn't at all /sh -> 100+ members from Hunt LS teleport in to nearest Aetheryte -> all Hunt LS members wait very politely until everyone in the LS has arrived (usually within one minute) -> mob is engaged -> random soloer sees the horde and shouts location -> mob dies ~10 secs later -> you turn up after hearing the late shout to see a hundred people teleporting out

So yeah, I now ignore Hunt shouts and the DoomTrain.