Warrior cross class debate

[Rhais]

Steel Cyclone?

It's not always what I want to spend wrath on, or always up.

[Grembo]

It's not always what I want to spend wrath on, or always up.

Can't imagine you needing IB's buff for trash pulls.

Steel Cyclone does everything you mentioned in your previous post and between the stacks you build + Infuriate it's great for chain pulling.

I'd hardly deem Flash 'very useful' just because you're choosing to use it over superior skills

[VargasVermillion]

On warrior I typically use flash when I'm pacified since you can still flash while under that effect, otherwise I'll just use Overpower or Steel cyclone. While it isn't always needed on pally if you use CoS and swap targets a lot it's much more useful on a pally, blind can also help every now and again on large groups.

[Nathan061111]

I'd hardly deem Flash 'very useful'

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[Grembo]

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Not really needed but sure.

I also use it for slugs on t6 but didn't think it deserved a mention as situational stuff that I use once per week hardly says much about Flash on War as a whole.

I wasn't necessarily talking about just having it for trash pulls, and it's not like there is just a plethora of amazing cross class abilities I'm passing up to keep flash on. Sure there are times where I don't get much use out of it, but there are also plenty of situations where I find it pretty useful. Anyway that's just my opinion on the subject, but for me it's worth keeping as one of my cross class abilities.

Yeah there's not much choice, I used to have Mantra slotted in instead of Flash but never noticed any benefit from it.

[Rhais]

Can't imagine you needing IB's buff for trash pulls.

Steel Cyclone does everything you mentioned in your previous post and between the stacks you build + Infuriate it's great for chain pulling.

I'd hardly deem Flash 'very useful' just because you're choosing to use it over superior skills

I wasn't necessarily talking about just having it for trash pulls, and it's not like there is just a plethora of amazing cross class abilities I'm passing up to keep flash on. Sure there are times where I don't get much use out of it, but there are also plenty of situations where I find it pretty useful. Anyway that's just my opinion on the subject, but for me it's worth keeping as one of my cross class abilities.

[Sqwall]

Awesome replies everyone. This makes me feel like I'm doing the right thing on warrior. I am new to the class and coming from ilevel 95 paladin I think warrior is just as good if not better in some places.

Preparing all the melee classes for when ninja drops. Never know what I'll need to know for each for that class and what cross class skills I need to acquire.

[Stuzack]

I am a Warrior, and I have flash equipped.

Some good uses for flash as a Warrior include:
PBAOE aggro, (no cone)
When you want to conserve TP,
Pacification,
Aggro on slept mobs, (it will keep them off your healer when they wake)
Aggro on mobs that must not die. (Slimes in T1 or Spiny plume in Garuda EX)

Whilst it's certainly possible to tank without Flash, I believe that having it give far more options that a tank without.

[Giantbane]

Can't imagine you needing IB's buff for trash pulls.

Steel Cyclone does everything you mentioned in your previous post and between the stacks you build + Infuriate it's great for chain pulling.

I'd hardly deem Flash 'very useful' just because you're choosing to use it over superior skills

Sometimes trash likes to scatter a bit, so it can often be easier to get in the middle of them and flash a couple times to get them in a group and then steel cyclone/overpower. You're not using that MP anyway. And it's not like anything beyond Provoke or Convalescence is very useful either.

I ran into many situations where other players think that "flash" is a needed for warrior. I feel having a level 50 PLD also that flash is a staple of that class. It is in the skills list for gladiator, and so I understand the need for that particular class. Warrior can benefit from this skill, but to be scrutinized by players tell me I "need it" to be even a good tank. Really? Have they ever tanked before. Flash is a joke compared to overpower!

And to top it off I was screamed at by the healer by using Berserk. I understand there is 5s of pacification. Apparently this was HUGELY annoying to the healer, because esuna isn't supposed to be on the hot bar for some reason. I tried to argue that berserk gave me wrath, which helps me tank better. With unchained + berserk+ and bloodbath I feel is a ridiculous amount of threat and HP regen

Provoke is required for some fights. Convalescence is very strong and should always be on your bar. Everything else is very minimal in its effect so it's up to you.

And the healer is stupid. If he doesn't want to esuna you, he doesn't need to. You can function as a tank perfectly fine even if you're pacified for 5s after using Berserk.