Please re-evaluate the difficulty of previous endgame content on the DF

[Gardes]

Sorry, but I disagree :/

I'm gonna have to disagree with you too. Accidental stoning doesn't always lead to a wipe. It depends who got stoned. One of our last t7s, I ran as a dragoon and got accidentally stoned by the bard, barely missing the tank. Twice in one attempt and we still won it. They give you up to 8 seconds to reach to the stoning debuffs. Way more than enough for someone with across the globe latency like me. No such thing with titan ex, gotta memorize the patterns and react pre-emptively. You ask me what melusine's rotation is, if there is one, I wouldn't know. They can all be reacted to on the spot. Circle blade doesnt even hurt that much. Melees can easily regain lost hp for not dodging it with bloodbath and no heals.

Sure, titan ex doesnt always guarantee a wipe if a few member goes off the cliff, but that still depends on who gets shot off the platform too. Plus the slide aoe is big and there's also bombs that also tends to catch multiple people. Yeah sure, t7 has mechanics designed to cause a wipe intentionally, so does t8 but that turn requires much much less twitch reaction and depends way less on the player's latency. Plus you're taking echo into account. It's just not a fair comparison.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

I'm gonna have to disagree with you too. [...] Plus you're taking echo into account. It's just not a fair comparison.

I guess it all comes down to personal experience, then.

At any rate, we are talking about the situation NOW, so the presence of echo in extreme primals cannot be disregarded. Echo is already a huge buff to dps, healing and tank checks, which is of course not present in Second Coil.

Content IS ALREADY easier than how it was at the beginning.
Where do we draw the line? At what point can we finally say "ok, this can't really get more easier than this without completely destroying the nature of the encounter"?

Honestly, no matter how much you nerf content, there will ALWAYS be someone who finds it too difficult despite all the nerfs. And while I absolutely agree on the fact that older content should become progressively easier as time goes on (which is something that naturally happens due to ilvl increase), I do not think that everything should become 100% faceroll.
It's just counterproductive and definitely not fun. If SE nerfs extreme primals or t5 more, in a short while we will have hordes of people whining that t6 is too hard. Then t7. Then t8. And on and on and on.

Hell, it's not even a matter of being casual or not. At this point it's just a matter of being able to ****ing play a game that does not ask you to just slam your cat against the keyboard.
My FC is not hardcore by any stretch of imagination, we are all adults with real life relationships and full time jobs - yet we are on t9, after of course months of sweating and swearing. What good would it do having easier content? We would just burn out quicker and we would end up finding another game to play.

Making things too easy is detrimental, in the long run.