Quote Originally Posted by Gardthorne View Post
Anyone who hasn't cleared the first 5 turns of coil or the original 3 EX primals at this point is not interested or capable of completing them as originally intended. The only reason they haven't been nerfed further is because the equipment is still technically useful. By 2.4 none of that content will offer useable equipment so it should be nerfed to the point that no effort is required.
1) People who haven't cleared it by this point - No. Some, like myself, have just beaten titan ex, after a month of grinding it and learning it, and developing a good party. Have just started T5 with said group, we'll get it done.

2) 2.4 none of that content will offer useable - You're really forgetting the fact that at patches, we see a big increase of new players, they are going to be going through it again.
3) Nerf to the point no effort is required - Hell no. People have had enough hand holding done recently. Where's the achievement in it. I personally remove any echo buffs possible when i fight this stuff.