Please re-evaluate the difficulty of previous endgame content on the DF

[Gardes]

And what if their limitation is that they can't get into a static? There's a reason why Thornmarch and Whoerleater were unlocked in the latest patch. Food for thought.

While I didnt exactly get my first titan ex clear with df or pf, I started getting friend requests when I started joining PFs more often (been slamming my head at df just to get a glimpse of post heart super bombs so I can join pfs more confidently). When I get online, I'd get tells asking me if I wanted to try titan ex again. I started adding people too. Over a couple days, I had 4-5 people that I can trust to do well in titan ex. Had I kept at it, I would have built a small network of people to keep pushing titan ex with and gotten a win with them, but I got my win through an FC that I joined not long after. I dont think that would have taken too long, 1-2 weeks maybe? I'm sure lots more people have been at it for far longer. This was in the 1st month of 2.2 where the echo was 25% btw, I had latency issues that I couldn't manage until I got a new vpn post 2.2 so I didnt bother trying titan ex after the 1st week of 2.1. Went from random 280-380 to stable-ish 280.

On the other hand, I just finished a titan hm trial not 15 minutes ago. I accidentally joined in progress at 10% echo. We took it to 50%. Both healers were above i80 with relics. One is even near i100, I'd wager. They both simply couldnt live post heart. It was after 50% echo that the 1 overgeared healer was able to live through all the attacks because there arent enough people around (4-5 dead) to have that many wotls that now only deal like 1/3 max hp to the lowest hp player and he kept being targetted by gaols so he didnt have to dodge slides. It was hilarious and depressing at the same time.

[Zeke_Anderson]

And what if their limitation is that they can't get into a static? There's a reason why Thornmarch and Whoerleater were unlocked in the latest patch. Food for thought.

Then their limitation is a social one or a RL limitation and my first question would be, what are you willing to do to overcome it?
Too shy? Maybe start chatting to people, might find a great FC or meet some like minded people you can work together with.
Is it RL limiting play time? Maybe you need to figure out just how much you want your win and make it work.

[MogBeatr]

Anyone who hasn't cleared the first 5 turns of coil or the original 3 EX primals at this point is not interested or capable of completing them as originally intended. The only reason they haven't been nerfed further is because the equipment is still technically useful. By 2.4 none of that content will offer useable equipment so it should be nerfed to the point that no effort is required.

I think the gear is already obsolete. I say nerf the hell out of it and let casuals have fun in SCOB. If anyone thats cleared it already thinks that is going to ruin the game for them, they are just selfish. I don't need to have others struggling with content so my sense of "virtual self worth" remains high. Then again, i'm not the type to care what others think anyhow.

[Kosmos992k]

Still trying to figure out why people who have already moved into farming turns in coil 2 give a darn whether T5 is nerfed a bit more to allow others to see the story. Seriously though, I don't see how any PUG that is not both over geared and experienced in EX primals or Coil can ever hope to clear EX primals or T5 when it's undeniable that many players have laggy connections and do not have access to (or want) voice communications. The whole point of DF is to bring together random players from within a group of servers to make partying easier. Such groups will always lack the cohesion of a static, and always lack voice communication. So how can they be expected to clear T5 or EX primals with ease?

Oh, and I just love the condescending attitudes of all those people going on about how easy this content is. No, it's really not. As someone posted not so long ago, less than 10% of players in PlayStation 3/4 have completed T5. At the time they posted it was around 5%, and that was with the Echo already in place. I am so sick and tired of seeing comments made by players on this forum basically talking like everyone already has ilvl 100 gear and weapons, that everyone has cleared T5 and EX and anyone that hasn't is either bad or slow.

You guys should step down from your ivory towers, then maybe you'd realize that the majority of players are NOT like you, and you do NOT speak for the majority. I can't claim to speak for the majority either, I speak for myself. But based on the players I know and have met in-gsme since Phase 3 Beta (yes I have been here that long) I feel more than comfortable stating that the majority of players have not beaten turn 5, or the EX primals.

And finally, this...

Anyone who hasn't cleared the first 5 turns of coil or the original 3 EX primals at this point is not interested or capable of completing them as originally intended. The only reason they haven't been nerfed further is because the equipment is still technically useful. By 2.4 none of that content will offer useable equipment so it should be nerfed to the point that no effort is required.

Did you even listen to what you said? Talk about a condescending or patronizing attitude. There are plenty of players good enough to do it who are unable for various reasons to find a static to work with. Not that many established statics want to take new players anyway. Not capable or interested eh? Thanks for the insult, so pleasant and constructive. One thing that you and folks who share your opinion would do well to remember is that the gear that you dismiss as no being usable, or being obsolete or trash is perfect good for completing all of the content in the main story line and all the light party content, so it's hardly obsolete. Perhaps to the elite group who are working on Coil 2 or EX Primals, that older gear is not as useful as the ilvl 110 gear they have. But to a lot of other players who are not participating in the Great Hunt lottery of 2014, that gear is still very useful.

I don't know what happened to compassion for others or fellow feeling, but it seems to have got lost somewhere in turn 5.

[Gardes]

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Think about this for a second though. What would letting people who cant get past t5 do? T6 is arguably harder than t5 in mechanics. T5 has like double the phases of t6, sure, but only half of those phases are the actual obstacles. T6's 3 phases, each has multiple mechanics to deal with all the time and you can wipe much faster than t5 pre echo. Letting people pass through t5 by nerfing it wont suddenly open a whole new pool of content to do for these people. They'll just get stopped at t6 again.

People say that there are people that are capable of beating t5 that have not because of other people in the party bringing them down BUT, to let the former pass through t5, SE would have to let the latter pass t5 too, considering these capable players are people who would rather wait or try their luck on pugs over and over. Now, I don't use the PF for coil but if you unleash people who cannot deal with t5 mechanics into the t6 pug pool, you will still deal with the same problem in t6 pf yet /again/ and the people who have been pugging t6 for a while will get worse quality of players to deal with (I've heard from friends who pugs t6+ outside of my static because of their sporadic schedule and it's really bad, like how did these people even get past titan hm bad)

I'm not against nerfing t5 though. I just don't think it's the right time yet. Not until 2nd coil is obsolete, lockout removed, mechanics and damages nerfed after 2.4. Otherwise there would be no point to t5 nerf. I WOULD be surprised if 2.4 doesn't nerf t5 further.

[Adler]

whining

Well I don't feel compassion for players like you that are unable for "various reasons" to beat turn 5 and ex primals. I am PS4 player that haven't beaten Titan ex and turn 5 yet - instead of bitching and whining that group content is not getting nerfed to level that it can be soloed by every fool in the entire FF universe I choose to work on my gear in all the possible ways (there are many) to help my FC to finally beat Turn 5 and Titan.
Maybe instead of whining and spending months on df never able to get even past phase 1 you should first find FC or group of friends, gear up, read a guide and then try to beat the content?
Seriously, I can't feel compassion for your type - after getting something handed to you for free you will just keep demanding even more.

[Kyana]

Then don't attempt them when your lagging.

You always lag you say? Then your playing the wrong game.

No one picks up...... Bioshock for PC (1st thing I could think of... I don't buy single player games often) pops it into their windows 98 and says "3 FPS......2K Games I DEMAND YOU MAKE THE GAME EASIER SO I CAN PLAY ON MY 3 FPS MACHINE!!"

You know what they do? What any rational person should. "Welp looks like my computer isn't good enough to run this time to play something else"

If FFXIV lags so badly at all times that you can't reliably handle "boss is casting X.. I should move". You need to play something your setup can handle.

Oh, you're one of these.

Well, maybe every developer/publisher should place a big "Don't buy if you lag!" sticker on every copy.
Oh, and let's tell PS3 players "Sorry but you can't play this game because your PS3 isn't good enough to play a PS3 game."
How about "Minimum requirements: move to Japan or Canada"?

Seriously, that's your answer to a common problem of online games?
To reduce lag you should upgrade your computer? LOL
So, if someone upgrades his graphics card, that person magically moves closer to the server? I mean, that can't be what you think, right?
latency =/= frames per second

There ARE ways to pretty much eliminate these issues, but they require more bandwith and put more stress on the servers.

[Kosmos992k]

Seriously, I can't feel compassion for your type - after getting something handed to you for free you will just keep demanding even more.

Since you know nothing about me, or who I am, your entire post is a straw man and pointless. I've worked for everything I have in this game and any other game, and always will. Pointing out the simple fact that there are many people for whom the Coil EX primals and statics are simply out of the question should not merit abuse from you or anyone else here.

[Kosmos992k]

Think about this for a second though. What would letting people who cant get past t5 do? T6 is arguably harder than t5 in mechanics.

I understand that completely. However there is a story element to the Coil, nerfing T5 into the ground - remembering that it's almost a year old now - is not un reasonable and allows the player base of mainstream or casual players to move ahead, albeit 9-12 months behind the hardcore groups. By the same token, Coil 2 (turns 6-9) would not be nerfed severely until December or later. I don't see how that could be seen as an issue by anyone who claims to believe in the challenge of the content, after all they have already beaten the content and won the challenge.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

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You can use external tools to fix the issue tho. VPN services work wonders, trust me.

Anyway, what many people asking for nerfs are failing to grasp is that actually WORKING and SWEATING in order to succeed is what makes a challenge fun.
If everyone and his mother could be able to clear t9, it simply would not be fun anymore. The game would be a Diablo with less loot.

There is already A LOT of easy content in this game. Really hard content, nowadays, is limited to Second Coil of Bahamut. Please leave it alone.