Please re-evaluate the difficulty of previous endgame content on the DF

[Kail]

From my understanding, and perhaps I'm mistaken... Coil is "supposed" to be story-related content. While it's not "Main Scenario," I think SE intended for everyone to be able to clear the content at some point.

As it stands, Turns 1-4 present little difficulty for people who are over-geared, while Turn 5 is a mechanics check. You can mitigate the difficulty of Turn 5 considerably with gear (Conflags are easily DPS'd, Dreadknights die fast, Death Sentence is like a baby's kick, etc.), but you still gotta deal with more strenuous positioning mechanics which can cause a wipe.

The Extreme Primals however... I don't feel these should even have an Echo applied. These are supposed to be optional fights. Challenge modes. The rewards for beating the Extreme Primals fall into the "nice, but optional" category.

[ispano]

Coil is actually considered optional as well. All the optional content does have story to it, even EX primals do. But it's not required to clear them in the slightest except for more content of the same. And to a degree even that was lessened.

[OldGeezer]

The content was already nerfed to the ground compared to the original dificulty. In all honesty, people is playing MMORPG's like they play flash games in their ipads/cellphone. They think they only need to shake it fast enough and the score will go up. This BS about "being casual" are way overusued to justify bad gaming skills. People think that to be able to play properly a game they have to be non-lifers in order to learn that they're supposed to move out from Reds and that every 10sec the boss will use certain spell. I have two and half hours for raid during the week, so I can call myself casual, and my group and I finish the new coil in less than one hour. So, seriously, this game can't get easier. People need to start using their brains (and I hate to give this sort of advice, but many players really ask for it.).

Apples and oranges. You're going in with a static. He's going in with a PUG. You've worked several hours with your team using an audiochat most likely, they just met. Saying just put in the time won't fix the problem. The real issue is that people have moved-on to Coil 2 and haven't looked back. The only Party Finders on my server are the ones that want "experienced only", or are selling runs to victims, or are people who are doing it for the first time. But the chances for the newbies are non-existant. So you basically lock-out one portion of the community who will never seen Second Coil because they can't find a dedicated team. With the addition of hunts, there are even less Coil and Primal runs being run. They have no prospects in future raiding until that requirement is nerfed or removed.

[Orophin]

They could remove Landslide and Weight of the Land from Titan Ex and people could beat it, but how is that going to prepare them for the challenges that lie ahead?

[Gardthorne]

Anyone who hasn't cleared the first 5 turns of coil or the original 3 EX primals at this point is not interested or capable of completing them as originally intended. The only reason they haven't been nerfed further is because the equipment is still technically useful. By 2.4 none of that content will offer useable equipment so it should be nerfed to the point that no effort is required.

[Zeke_Anderson]

Anyone who hasn't cleared the first 5 turns of coil or the original 3 EX primals at this point is not interested or capable of completing them as originally intended. The only reason they haven't been nerfed further is because the equipment is still technically useful. By 2.4 none of that content will offer useable equipment so it should be nerfed to the point that no effort is required.

No just no, people need to know their own limitations.
If you cannot do it then you don't deserve the win period.
Simply, not everyone should get a trophy just for showing up.

[OldGeezer]

And what if their limitation is that they can't get into a static? There's a reason why Thornmarch and Whoerleater were unlocked in the latest patch. Food for thought.

[Cyrus-Wallace]

Sadly, SE will nerf it eventually. IMO: The problem is not the difficulty, the thing is that these battles are still somewhat fun. Nerfing them means less fun for me. As a consequence, that's content that I will not being doing anymore.

A total unrelated, yet somewhat releated story. The other night, my static was queueing T5 with 7/8 people. We tried to get some random pug their first win. We did 5 runs. 4 out of 5 were their first win. It was fun.

[Gardthorne]

No just no, people need to know their own limitations.
If you cannot do it then you don't deserve the win period.
Simply, not everyone should get a trophy just for showing up.

It's going to happen whether you like it or not. You should probably stop caring that other players might have fun clearing old content that no one else cares about anymore.

[Ilitsa]

I think the problem is some fight that has more than 2 or 3 phases, like Titan, Turn 4 and 5 of the first Coils.

casual players and first timers may learned about the fights after 2-3 wipes and be able to clear it eventually. and experienced players can explain them about the mechanics. but if it's a fight that has more than 3 phases, it almost impossible to explain everything and defeat it in 3-4 attempts. telling casuals to go watch a video on youtube is not gonna help because they're casuals. why do they have to do research just to play games? they'll just give up.

I think you're mistaking casuals with bad players. Big difference. Not every "casual" is bad, just as not every "hardcore" player is good. You have both walks of life in both categories.


That being said, i have to ask, why is it always if someone isn't in a raiding fc, they're casual? Is there really no middle ground?