Simplicity over complexity, time to change.

[Felessan]

Lets just say we are not talking about making the game more complex or the sake of it, just less simple, because anyone can see this game has a lot of potential, but it's actually hollow.

This actually amuses me how people that do nothing to push mechanics past "simple" accuse it that it's too hollow. Maybe try harder and at least pass through T5 before complaining about simplicity?
It's like you want to intentionally make game harder for everyone because you are bored and too lazy to actually do something, so you want game do it for you.

[Gilthas]

It's like you want to intentionally make game harder for everyone because you are bored and too lazy to actually do something, so you want game do it for you.

Not going to comment on the coil part, but this second part of the post basically sums up the "remove teleport" crowd's argument.

I actually had the same feelings towards allowing you to repair gear on any class. Changing to my crafter to repair gear did bring me more immersion, but now that that restriction is gone I don't do it anymore. Do I miss it? Nope.

Instead of asking for cumbersome mechanics I'd rather they satisfy my needs for crafter immersion by giving us more quests.

[Magis]

This actually amuses me how people that do nothing to push mechanics past "simple" accuse it that it's too hollow. Maybe try harder and at least pass through T5 before complaining about simplicity?
It's like you want to intentionally make game harder for everyone because you are bored and too lazy to actually do something, so you want game do it for you.

I have "pushed past T5", cleared T6, and our static is about to clear T7... the moves can be boiled down to "thing appears -> do thing". Most of it is either dodging, or just watching a mark and moving (or in case of blighted bouquet... not moving). Since the fight doesn't go beyond passively damaging the boss and adds, and doing whatever mark gimmick that flavor has... it really is simple. I can't say about T8 (though read about the Ballistic Missile move) and T9, but if they are different... 2 out of all the bosses in the game isn't much.

Best way to sum it up is: The boss mechanics may be "complex" (I use the word here lightly) but the actual combat and what our characters are doing isn't. The actual damage we do to the mob is a passive drain to it's HP as everyone is actually just dancing around doing the boss' mechanics. Heck, you can take the argument to the extreme, and just have the boss lose HP at a tick per second, strip our abilities, and keep the mechanics. It would be the same damn thing.

[Exstal]

I have "pushed past T5", cleared T6, and our static is about to clear T7... the moves can be boiled down to "thing appears -> do thing". Most of it is either dodging, or just watching a mark and moving (or in case of blighted bouquet... not moving). Since the fight doesn't go beyond passively damaging the boss and adds, and doing whatever mark gimmick that flavor has... it really is simple. I can't say about T8 (though read about the Ballistic Missile move) and T9, but if they are different... 2 out of all the bosses in the game isn't much.

Best way to sum it up is: The boss mechanics may be "complex" (I use the word here lightly) but the actual combat and what our characters are doing isn't. The actual damage we do to the mob is a passive drain to it's HP as everyone is actually just dancing around doing the boss' mechanics. Heck, you can take the argument to the extreme, and just have the boss lose HP at a tick per second, strip our abilities, and keep the mechanics. It would be the same damn thing.

The alternative is tank and spank with some minor mechanics. No mechanics is boring and heavy mechanics is a single player game.

Turns 3 & 4 are much of the same from turns 1 & 2. Just..far more punishing.

...and is nothing like the original FFXI? Like, I am sure that it has been repeated over and over yet people still say this like they thought up the most original rebuttal ever.

I'm unaware why people want to go back in time to ancient systems. I'm sure there is a game out there that follows that.

[Tupsi]

I'm unaware why people want to go back in time to ancient systems. I'm sure there is a game out there that follows that.

You're better off asking developers who continue to copy WoW (a 2004 game, XI was released only 2 years prior.)

[Dannythm]

Best way to sum it up is: The boss mechanics may be "complex" (I use the word here lightly) but the actual combat and what our characters are doing isn't. The actual damage we do to the mob is a passive drain to it's HP as everyone is actually just dancing around doing the boss' mechanics. Heck, you can take the argument to the extreme, and just have the boss lose HP at a tick per second, strip our abilities, and keep the mechanics. It would be the same damn thing.

... but I love Touhou and sumps!

[Azurak]

Heck, you can take the argument to the extreme, and just have the boss lose HP at a tick per second, strip our abilities, and keep the mechanics. It would be the same damn thing.

Yeah, after doing all the endgame stuff in XIV. I realize it is all the same thing. Each primal is nothing more than a pattern. Follow the pattern equals win. With more content, means more patterns to memorize. Yoshi really thinks this is fun?

[Velhart]

Yeah, after doing all the endgame stuff in XIV. I realize it is all the same thing. Each primal is nothing more than a pattern. Follow the pattern equals win. With more content, means more patterns to memorize. Yoshi really thinks this is fun?

Still playing, are you not?

[Magis]

Still playing, are you not?

Just because people play, doesn't mean they don't have issues with a part of the game? I play because I like Final Fantasy, I love the lore and stories, and I like to chill with my FC. That doesn't mean I think that much of the gameplay could be made better and more interesting. I guess everyone who disliked the Atma grind (I personally enjoyed it), disliked hunts, or any other plethora of reasons people complain about, should be ignored because they didn't quit over a single issue?

[Velhart]

Just because people play, doesn't mean they don't have issues with a part of the game? I play because I like Final Fantasy, I love the lore and stories, and I like to chill with my FC. That doesn't mean I think that much of the gameplay could be made better and more interesting. I guess everyone who disliked the Atma grind (I personally enjoyed it), disliked hunts, or any other plethora of reasons people complain about, should be ignored because they didn't quit over a single issue?

Point more was if you are still doing the content, you are having some fun in it. I don't disagree on the fights being too scripted. If anything I wish they were less scripted and not as punishing for one person making a small mistake.