Simplicity over complexity, time to change.

[Zantetsuken]

The best way to make our point across, is to stop playing XIV. As long as subscriptions are adequate, they wont change anything. But I think it is too late to change the core game anyhow. They can add more jobs and gear and more dodging mechanics but the game still sucks because the battle system is fluffy and the game is instanced too much.

This game will have a shorter lifespan than XI did.

Since MMOs take many years to make, for us who liked XI, I think it is time to say goodbye to MMORPGs and get on with our lives while the casuals have fun playing a game that is built on redundancy.

Exactly.

Though Yoshi himself stated that "a complaint is worth 1000x more than a compliment" and also that the worst thing for an MMO developer is to have players leave without saying a word. (we know the devs read the forums and/or get reports on it)

So make it known WHY you are leaving when you do. It may change things for this game, or it may even influence the next FF MMO.

[Galliano]

1, Remove ilvl and let players decide on their builds using the stats

2, Make certain high level open world areas dangerous to level 50s

[Blackheart]

dangerous open world and more customization...yes

[Felessan]

You have a world of MMO games that cater to your tastes: TERA, BLADE AND SOUL, AION, ATLANTICA, WoW, WildStar, etc. etc. etc.
I'm surprised you are so passionate about defending ARR as generic WoW-clone when you have plethora of other options to migrate to if it ever changed.
But for FF MMO fans ( FFXI, and FFIXV 1.23), this is really the last bastion.

You can go to the dying sun... oops, to FFXI of course.
I don't want to go somewhere else, as I want:
a) FF MMO (I was quite a big fan of FFXI). But I don't want FF11-2 as I am way past it (it was good, but it was 10 years ago) and it's really outdated and unfriendly for common people.
b) High Quality modern style MMO with all those hard-tested design choices that makes WoW how it is.
The truth is that WoW itself was a "masterwork clone" that gathered many of good ideas from that time, that made it successful. Then it improved them to the point we see now. (vanilla wow had the same "explore to travel", "20 min to go to destination", travel on your feet is a bless etc, until it was removed as "grind mechanics" that counterproductive for main masses of people).
And I want FF14 to do the same, get all the good people invented in the last 10 years, and some FF flavor, get a lot of people in, be successful - and continue to improve and add unique to ff14 features. Not just "copy-paste from ff11, even though it's outdated grindy stuff".

[Smartcat]

Omg all you ppl that played FFXI and the 1.0 version do is complaint, if you like FFXI so much go play it. Just stop the Bitching, it's always the same story with " FFXI was so much better", or" 1.0 was so much better". This game is a sucess, 1.0 wasn't, it failed hard. I wish something were different, like the maps weren't so intanced with a bunch of loading screens, I wish it had some sandbox elements. But do I come here on the forums to make a new post about it everyday? No! Enjoy the game for what it is or pack your stuff and leave.

Games are supposed to be fun. Want challenging? Go do a math problem or study Physics.

[odintius]

For me I like the story and lore but the progression in the game is getting stale fast espically on the gear front for me personnelly find myself logging in less and less like to see more done, but the way its going know most likely unsub and just move on with another game.

[Magis]

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Ah yes, the design choices that had WoW lose 5mil subs since going the themepark route (Wrath and Beyond). That's 2.5x the population of FFXIV! Strange how the main subscription gain was when WoW was still an "old school" MMO back in Vanilla and TBC with actually having to travel (OMG!), leveling being a part of the gameplay, grinds, large complex dungeons, unique classes with their own uses, etc. But that's "outdated" I guess. It's the new age, where brains don't have to be used, everything has to be instant, and everything should be as the same as possible and streamlined.

http://users.telenet.be/mmodata/Charts/Subs-1.png

[Tupsi]

It's always funny how people mention someone wanting something similar as turning this into an 'XI-2' when YoshiP himself said he wanted to make a WoW 'clone' for the Japanese audience and it wasn't even that much of one since the borrowed features WoW still does better. Then again, people said it's better that this is a WoW clone.

Since you know, we needed more of those after 8 years+ worth of WoW clones xD

Omg all you ppl that played FFXI and the 1.0 version do is complaint

Lots of people that didnt play either complain more, by the way.

Games are supposed to be fun. Want challenging? Go do a math problem or study Physics.

Dark Souls series seems to be doing well, huh. Dat logic shattering.

[Zantetsuken]

People en masse likes concepts that wow popularized, like easy travelling, full access to zones, straightforward and easily understandable stat mechanics.

People en masse like Dark Souls as well, which has virtually none of those features. Your point?

DarkSouls sold 2 million copies and GTA sold 20 million copies. Got the point?

And Minecraft has sold 54 million.

GTA and Minecraft are both sandbox games which allow the players to craft their own adventures in large and cohesive worlds.

Are you saying FFXIV should ditch the theme-park template and instead adopt a more sandbox approach?

If so, thanks for making my point.


Also, Even WoW developers admit that their approach was a short-sighted cash grab, and a disaster for the MMO industry.

[Azurak]

Exactly.

Though Yoshi himself stated that "a complaint is worth 1000x more than a compliment" and also that the worst thing for an MMO developer is to have players leave without saying a word. (we know the devs read the forums and/or get reports on it)

So make it known WHY you are leaving when you do. It may change things for this game, or it may even influence the next FF MMO.

It wont matter why because they know why people leave the game. Anyone who hates WoW combat leaves the game.