Quote Originally Posted by Gramul View Post
Please don't attack peoples character based on assumption.

You're both frustrated with each other for wanting gameplay you both oppose. But you're not a worse gamer for wanting accessibility, and Zan isn't an egotist for wanting more complex gameplay.
He and many others are frustrated because there really aren't any games that embrace that sort of complexity or depth anymore. Even FF11 is a shell of what it once was. Companies seem to be embracing the same route of appealing to as many people as possible with little change that it's becoming boring and stale for him. In embracing the lowest common, they loose the parts that make them unique and interesting.

Personal attacks will get us nowhere. Please don't assume that because one person doesn't like something that they fall into some demonized category.
That goes for all of us.

Also, what is a gurgler?
Looking back at my previous post, in hindsight it did come across as somewhat nasty and spiteful, which is usually not how I respond to threads like this - so I do owe both Renik and Zantesuken apologies. I'm really sorry both of you. I still stand by my opinions on the subject of complexity in this game, but, I really should have approached this with a far cooler head and in a far less inflammatory way. Your post Gramul in particular made me rethink what I had said. So, thank you.

As for a gurgler, it's Australian slang for a drain - it's an old figure of speech that kind of didn't make much sense in hindsight.