Possible: Directly going from i55 to i75 tool

[Elasia]

Really though, HQ turn ins are so patch 2.2.

2.3 is all about those NQ 3star turn-in items and 99x NQ item turn in for DoL too!

#JustSayNoToHQ #BuyNQ4Glamour #Cheaper&Faster #SupportYourI55Crafters

Actually that is false, buy buying mastercraft/field3 you are only pushing the HQ work on to other people, its no different than buying hq items to do leve turns and not doing the work yourself atm

[Kakure]

It is cool that this is possible and I don't mean to be discouraging, but I feel like someone needs to step in here and point out that this is not a practical goal for most people. If you just hit level fifty and got your blue tools from the class quests and you're trying to figure out where to go next, just get your artisan's tools. They are relatively easy to get and good enough to craft anything in the game. The supra tools are just slightly better, totally unnecessary, and vastly more difficulty to acquire.

How much more difficulty? Well, I've personally broken down about 60 pairs of Artisan's Spectacles, from which I have gotten five Mastercraft Demimateria and three Fieldcraft III Demimateria. That's roughly twelve artisan's tools' worth of turn-ins, and I am still less than halfway to the demimateria required for a single supra tool.

If each item takes you around a minute to make (and it may take you longer, especially if you are working with the ilvl 55 tool), you can make the turn-ins for one of your artisan's tools in about fifty minutes. With an optimistic 25% demimateria drop rate (twice what I have gotten so far) in just the right ratio of mastercraft:fieldcraft demimateria (which you won't get), you're looking at about nine hours of crafting per supra tool. More realistically, you're probably going to spend between twelve and twenty hours pressing your crafting macro over and over to get the demimateria for one supra tool, and that's not accounting for the stacks and stacks of HQ materials you'll need to HQ 419-durability items with the ilvl 55 class tool or the ~1200 shards/hour you're going to go through.

If you have the gil to buy your demimateria on the market board, great. Or maybe you're just that particular brand of fanatically driven for whom something like this is a fun challenge. For the overwhelming majority of players though, particularly those who are just getting to this content for the first time, skipping the artisan's tool while working toward the supra like going without a car for twenty years because you're saving up for a Porsche.

[RiceisNice]

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While it may be the case on your first Supra/Artisan tool, remember that demimateria isn't exclusive to the craft. You could go through the nooks and crannies and get yourself the Artisan Tool for say, Culinarian (since it's arguably the easiest stuff to HQ for Artisan trades) and use OP's method; You could get all your demimateria from Culinarian and push for stat requirements to to skip Artisan tools for the others.

[Kakure]

That is a good suggestion. Getting one artisan's tool is an enormously prudent step for anyone who is going to try this. It doesn't appreciably lessen the work involved, though. My comments were based on my experience slowly plodding through desynthesis the past few weeks, using artisan's tools the whole time.

I applaud anyone who has the fortitude to do this. I really do. I just want to make sure people know what they are getting into.

[RiceisNice]

Right, and it helps tremendously that you more-so if you have melded accessories. Just having the Artisan weapon for one class will make it much easier to HQ stuff to get the demimateria. I mean chances are, you're gonna stick with culinarian's method of obtaining artisans anyway for the demimateria aspect, you'd probably be able to reach crafting requirements for the others via melding accessories. It's not going to change either way on obtaining a supra if you're getting your butt handed by materia-rates.

Another thing to note is that you can get Fieldcraft III demimateria from 2 star crafts, including furnitur, if that is a more econimical/time saving way of going about it.

[LineageRazor]

Another thing to note is that you can get Fieldcraft III demimateria from 2 star crafts, including furnitur, if that is a more econimical/time saving way of going about it.

I'd actually suggest that 3 star crafts might be a better source, given how pricy the philo mats are now. Which is easier to get: 500 Myth for a 3-star mat, or 22500 GC points for a 2-star mat? I guess it depends on whether you prefer grinding FATEs or running dungeons...

Before I waste a bunch of time doing this what is the drop rate on the Artisan Spectacles desynth for the master craft materia?

It is RNG so your results will vary. I'm just getting into it; my desynthing level is about 85 now so was a little less when I started: I desynthed 20 pairs and got three Fieldcraft III, and one Mastercraft. I don't know if these results are typical, high, or low, but at the very least it's an example of what could happen once you get into it.

[JeSuisR]

So what are the steps to make this to work? You have explained that it's possible to go from i55 to i75 but there's no steps on which actions we should use to not lose durability before it's done.

[Morari]

So what are the steps to make this to work? You have explained that it's possible to go from i55 to i75 but there's no steps on which actions we should use to not lose durability before it's done.

It's right there in the first post. "So just spam Piece by Piece & Ingenuity II+Careful Synthesis II (Ain't nobody got time for quality)."

[Moonfyah]

It is cool that this is possible and I don't mean to be discouraging, but I feel like someone needs to step in here and point out that this is not a practical goal for most people. If you just hit level fifty and got your blue tools from the class quests and you're trying to figure out where to go next, just get your artisan's tools. They are relatively easy to get and good enough to craft anything in the game. The supra tools are just slightly better, totally unnecessary, and vastly more difficulty to acquire.

How much more difficulty? Well, I've personally broken down about 60 pairs of Artisan's Spectacles, from which I have gotten five Mastercraft Demimateria and three Fieldcraft III Demimateria. That's roughly twelve artisan's tools' worth of turn-ins, and I am still less than halfway to the demimateria required for a single supra tool.

If each item takes you around a minute to make (and it may take you longer, especially if you are working with the ilvl 55 tool), you can make the turn-ins for one of your artisan's tools in about fifty minutes. With an optimistic 25% demimateria drop rate (twice what I have gotten so far) in just the right ratio of mastercraft:fieldcraft demimateria (which you won't get), you're looking at about nine hours of crafting per supra tool. More realistically, you're probably going to spend between twelve and twenty hours pressing your crafting macro over and over to get the demimateria for one supra tool, and that's not accounting for the stacks and stacks of HQ materials you'll need to HQ 419-durability items with the ilvl 55 class tool or the ~1200 shards/hour you're going to go through.

If you have the gil to buy your demimateria on the market board, great. Or maybe you're just that particular brand of fanatically driven for whom something like this is a fun challenge. For the overwhelming majority of players though, particularly those who are just getting to this content for the first time, skipping the artisan's tool while working toward the supra like going without a car for twenty years because you're saving up for a Porsche.

Good points all around. But you do not need anything more than an i55 tool/HQ dzmael tomato/HQ dark vinegar to 100% HQ the spicy tomato relish with the rotation I suggested. Unless there's a new magical rotation that can get all 5257 quality for the spicy tomato relish, starting with zero quality; there's no reason to not use those HQ mats. I highly doubt a crafter with max melds on gear and a supra tool can 100% HQ spicy tomato relish with 0 RNG, using NQ mats.

This person has acquired all the supra tools and said it took them between 120-140 spectacles. http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen...rafting_tools/

Considering I can craft 15x artisan spectacle in the time of 1 GSM artisan tool (150 tomato relish vs 100x rose gold nugget and 50x rose gold gear). Starting earlier on the supra process will be a better allocation of my time, personally. 50 minutes is only applicable to culinary & alchemy. Everything else requires the initial 100x HQ 1-star materials (& weaver even needs an additional 50x HQ silver ingots) before you can reliably HQ the artisan tool turn ins.

Overall though, supra > artisan. The stats are simply better. The extra control will help in the HQ RNG tastic 3 stars, when hasty touches fail to land or you get no trick procs and the extra craftsmanship will most likely be required in the future when 4 stars come out.

If you want to get into the flooded HQ 3 star gear market ASAP, then yes. Get your artisan tool first. If you're okay with only crafting augmentations, NQ augmented glamour gear, NQ augmented primal weapons, and 3 star furniture ASAP. Then I believe my guide will assist you in making that Gil ASAP.

[Kakure]

But you do not need anything more than an i55 tool/HQ dzmael tomato/HQ dark vinegar to 100% HQ the spicy tomato relish with the rotation I suggested… 50 minutes is only applicable to culinary & alchemy. Everything else requires the initial 100x HQ 1-star materials (& weaver even needs an additional 50x HQ silver ingots) before you can reliably HQ the artisan tool turn ins.

You're right on both counts. I was thinking of my own experience using a Hasty Touch rotation and whatever was on hand, which was mostly NQ. None of them took much money or preparation, but it took me longer to craft each item than it does now (and I got some NQs along the way).

This person has acquired all the supra tools and said it took them between 120-140 spectacles. http://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/commen...rafting_tools/

It says 120~140 pairs at a rate approaching 20%, with the remainder (approximately 75-80% of the total) coming from weapon parts and clocks at a rate of about 1/3 after recursive desynthesis. The price tag for that is going to vary depending on your server and the day, but it's going to be an eight-figure number.

As someone who has the artisan's tools and has dabbled in desynthesis enough to feel out the system, I feel pretty confident saying that there is a vast difference between the artisan's tool requirements and the supra tool requirements. We're talking like an order of magnitude here, in terms of both time and resources.